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9 interlinked sites, different PR - why?

         

au_sammy

7:03 am on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

I operate 9 websites, all interlinked on EVERY page of EVERY website in the footer.

I am not after the "dont interlink" reply as I don't believe in that. Many large commercial sites interlink. Perhaps one day my PR will crash and the sites will be unindexed, and on that day - I will believe! But until then ....

My question is, after the recent PR update, I have

1 Site as PR6
7 Sites as PR5
1 Site as PR4

Now... the PR6 has more links than any of the others. Granted, it is PR6.

The PR5 sites, two of the PR5 sites have NO links to them. The others have a couple.

The PR4 site - has the next amount of links under the PR6 - yet it remains at PR4? It has more incoming links than any of the PR5 sites.

I find this to be strange. I have checked the backlinks with Googles now broken link command, and also Yahoo. The quality of the links to the PR4 site are also better than any of the PR5s.

Any ideas anyone!?

ljgsites

10:16 pm on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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internal links

BillyS

10:57 pm on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Don't interlink

BigDave

11:26 pm on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Wow! that must be really annoying to your users.

synergy

1:20 am on Oct 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think that there is now more to PR than what meets the eye. After all, you're looking at a bar graph with just 10 possibilities to explain the entire web.

Internal pages on my site have wildly varying PRs, I believe, based on age and/or intentions a.k.a. semantics (contact info, links, content, products etc.).

PR just got sophisticated.

steveb

2:00 am on Oct 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"PR just got sophisticated"

Ever see "Being There"?

petehall

9:20 am on Oct 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Wow! that must be really annoying to your users.

I fail to see how links at the footer of the website could be anything but useful.

Hardly annoying as you are not forced to click on them.

webnewton

12:37 pm on Oct 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This might also be intrestnig.
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BigDave

5:06 pm on Oct 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I fail to see how links at the footer of the website could be anything but useful.

Hardly annoying as you are not forced to click on them.

I refer you to the first post

I operate 9 websites, all interlinked on EVERY page of EVERY website in the footer.

I'm assuming from this that he has linked every page on every site to evey page on every other site since he seems to want to have perfectly flat PR.

That is simply a lot of unnecessary crap on evey page and just plain ugly, whether in the footer or not.

It looks very unprofessional, and even unsophisticated end users will immediately decide you are trying to game some system and are unlikely to trust you. And guess what, they would be right, you are gameing a system, and really should not be trusted.

EliteWeb

5:18 pm on Oct 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Same topics or diferent topics? Same style sites or different?

DerekH

5:20 pm on Oct 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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BigDave wrote
It looks very unprofessional, and even unsophisticated end users will immediately decide you are trying to game some system and are unlikely to trust you. And guess what, they would be right, you are gameing a system, and really should not be trusted.

But au_sammy wasn't asking for that answer, he was actually asking, in his defence, quite a professional question - why the asymmetry.

I don't have an answer, but I do have an interest in reading the thoughts of others, rather than seeing the poster called untrustworthy.
Anyway, I've calmed down after that little rant and look forward to seeing some answers!
DerekH

randle

6:11 pm on Oct 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don’t think it’s that strange, maybe a bit odd.

1 Site as PR6
7 Sites as PR5

These 8 sites could be extremely close in PR. Close enough where the difference is not worth trying to figure out, because it’s insignificant.

1 Site as PR4

The PR 4 one might be the place to start as it does seem to be dragging.

p.s. how are you making out in Yahoo with your linking strategy?

BigDave

7:15 pm on Oct 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It is very simple. Each site has internal navigation and different incoming links.

The different links are also (if the site is useful at all) going to come in to many different pages.

The incoming links will be from pages with a wide variety of PR, and with a wide variety outgoing links.

With all those (hundreds?) links on each page the PR that is passed will be extremely diluted.

With so much dilution of the PR, going out of each of his pages, it will be the incoming links that make the most difference.

The number of links coming in to each page, and the PR of the pages are only two parts of the equation. The dilution of those incoming links is often a much bigger part.

And this is not even getting into any sandboxing of links or whatever the conspiracy theory du jour is.

So, the passed PR of the incoming links is what is going to have the most impact. Just as would happen if you made a single site with a totally flat structure with hundreds of pages. The average level suppoeredd by the interlinking might be PR3, and the incoming links are what will boost specific pages up to 4-7.

synergy

3:05 am on Oct 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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From Mike Grehan's interview with Daniel Dulitz of Google:

...for search engine marketing, search engine optimisation purposes... I'd say that there's too much emphasis placed on what that PageRank number actually is... So, if people are trying to look at what we're doing and their idea is based on that single number from one to ten, then ... well, they're not going to be effective in figuring out what we're doing at all.

funandgames

5:20 am on Oct 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Why is having 8 links in the footer annoying?

SlyOldDog

9:04 am on Oct 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>The PR5 sites, two of the PR5 sites have NO links to them. The others have a couple.

This I don't believe. No links, or no links with the backlink command?

Check the sites on yahoo for backlinks.

petehall

11:23 am on Oct 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It looks very unprofessional, and even unsophisticated end users will immediately decide you are trying to game some system and are unlikely to trust you.

Hardly. Perhaps if you were using the site, however most people would not have a clue.

Most users are "unsophisticated" as you put it.

Why is having 8 links in the footer annoying?

It's not.