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Google Not Counting Non-Themed Incoming Links?

         

top5jamaica

2:15 pm on Sep 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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just noticed for some sites that i was analyzing that google is not counting incoming links that are not of the same general 'theme' as the receiving sites.

in one particular example, a site used to have dozens of incoming links from pages on sites that are of a totally different industry, and while the links are still up on these pages and the pages continue to be either pr4, pr5 or pr6, when you do a backlinks check on the receiving site, these incoming links are not being counted.

prairie

6:14 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Are you sure?... Google doesn't show all backlinks using the link query, even if its aware of them.

top5jamaica

6:59 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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its just strange that it won't count a pr5 or pr6 link that has existed for months and was counting before recently

MHes

7:19 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The back link tool only is a snap shot. These links may be counting.... just not showing. Google no longer shows all backlinks, probably to confuse things..... and it works :)

googalot

7:20 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Have you considered that this is probably an indication that the page rank of the site that you are counting as pr 6 has dropped below 4?

As it has been so long since a visible PR update this is definitely a possibility.

Also I am seeing nothing in my back links that agrees with the title of this topic.

lbobke

7:32 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Have you considered that this is probably an indication that the page rank of the site that you are counting as pr 6 has dropped below 4?

Actually, it should be easy to check this: if the "PR 6" site also links to other "themed" sites and doesn't show up there as well, it has either dropped in PR or is not counted for another reason (robots meta tag or such...).
On the other hand, if the links only show up on sites with a related theme and not on unrelated ones, this would really support the idea of link relevance.
Would be nice if search engines could already distinguish between relevant links and paid ones. I somehow doubt this though...

Laurenz

rfgdxm1

7:45 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>Would be nice if search engines could already distinguish between relevant links and paid ones. I somehow doubt this though...

There would also be the reverse problem: links that are relevant could be ignored. Imagine the hypothetical Jane Widget links to Webmasterworld from her personal site. She does so because one of the types of work she does is website design. However, her personal site is devoted to her poetry, photography, etc. No search engine algo likely could pick this up as relevant. There is lots of this sort of linking on the web. Particularly amateur sites. Consider many blogs, and the links that often appear on them...

Dominic_X

7:49 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm still seeing links from irrelevant / un-themed sources to my sites from my old days of exchanging links.

If you haven't read up on 'Local Rank' and 'Topic Sensitive PageRank' you will jump for joy when you do (or go and cry in the corner).

I really hope we get a full report from Google of backlinks next time, but that they adopt the method you mentioned and cut the list back to only what they consider 'relevant links.'

That would really get us webmasters heading in the right direction (IMO).

top5jamaica

7:55 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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i did a little test for one site that 'used to' have pr6 homepage and pr5 sub-pages.

turns out links from all but one (not the homepage) of the pages on the site don't show up in a backlinks check .. interesting .. now to figure out why its counting from that page and not the rest.

lbobke

7:57 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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...links that are relevant could be ignored. Imagine the hypothetical Jane Widget links to Webmasterworld from her personal site. She does so because one of the types of work she does is website design. However, her personal site is devoted to her poetry, photography, etc. No search engine algo likely could pick this up as relevant.

Yes, but is this really a relevant link? When searching, I would not expect the personal site to rank for "web design".
So, for a search engine - as for a human user - there would be no real connection between the arts site and Webmasterworld.
If, however, Jane happened to link from a page with her curriculum vitae, I'd expect a smart robot to find this link relevant, - even if the rest of the site was devoted to poetry.

In the end, there's no perfect solution, but I'd prefer a robot which is not counting some potentially relevant links to one that counts millions of irrelevant ones.
I feel that, on average, results would be more relevant.

Laurenz

steveb

8:35 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"now to figure out why its counting from that page and not the rest."

It's not. Don't waste your time on this. The backlinks Google displays mean nothing.

<Hey Googleplex, do y'all get all warm and fuzzy when you see threads like this? The backlink data is sadistic and mean-spirited. It is literally "doing evil" and should be changed immediately, despite the loss of face. It was a stupid idea and the longer you stubbornly cling to it the longer you cling to evil stupidity.>

MHes

9:11 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well said Steveb

Also the theme of links is NOT anything to do with the links they do show. It is impossible to establish theme between one site and another....... except at run time for a specific search. The search term is the 'theme'.

Powdork

9:20 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes, but is this really a relevant link?
Who cares? In many cases the links that would most represent a 'true vote' for another page are not on topic. This is the case when someone links simply because they like a site or were happy they found it.