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I have an small hobbie web site ... I was trying to use the <noframe> tag to put some keywords and see if I can get a better result in the SERPs. However I have be waiting for 3 weeks now for the cache to be updated, GG bot comes by almost every day, but the cache for the page still remains the same like the day before I put those changes. I wasn't really tracking how often the cache was being updated for my site but I was hopping 2 weeks would be a good time, but is 3 weeks now and nothing has happened. The fact that the cache is the one just before I did the changes is concerning me .. could the <noframe> be the reason for that? Is the ggbot avoiding to update my website's cache for that reason? I should point here that my site does not use frames at all but I saw some sites for the same topic doing this and they are better positiones and their cache is updated .. including the <noframe> tag.
I just did it to experiment and see if I could get better results, but after 3 weeks I'm thinking to remove this because I don't see anythig new.. position in the SERPs is the same that before and I have now included some real text in the pages to get better keywords.
My site has been out there for about 1 year now, I don't think is some sandbox thing .. and a new subdomain I added about a month ago (only link from this webpage) is now indexed (about 25 pages) and cache updated to last week.
Can I conclude now that the <noframe> wasn't a good idea even if it was working for someone else and remove it?
My question is because I don't want to remove it and the see the cache update in 2,3 or 4 days and don't know if this was the reason.
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However, like all tactics, I'm sure that this one will cease to be supported by Google eventually. Enough people will raise SPAM reports that they will sit up and take notice. At the current time I do not think they are penalizing.
More importantly I'd check the actual CONTENT of your NOFRAMES and see if the content (stuffed keywords) you have placed there could constitute SPAM in the eyes of Google et al.
In other words, develop the page as a legitimate page that a user would find useful if they could not view frames. Use a menu, add images, write good content, add links to your other pages, etc. Look at the page in a non-framed state and then, and I stress this, only then, add it to your framed page with the noframes tag.
This has worked flawless for me as about half of my sites are framed and some rank very well in the SERPs. The page still has to be useful for this to work.
Just my observations mind you...
They serve no purpose other than to spam, unless the respective <frames> or <script> tag is also present.
It would not surprise me if Google penalise for the <noframes> and <noscript> tags.They serve no purpose other than to spam, unless the respective <frames> or <script> tag is also present.
Sorry, but I have to strongly disagree. Use these tags for their intended purposes, and you'll be fine.
The purpose of <noframes> is to present alternate content for non-frames-enabled browsers, such as text-only browers like lynx. Put a basic version of your page into this section, and a message explaining that the site is best viewed with a frames-enabled browser. Some users may not have a choice, so make this an informational message, not a rude comment about their old browser technology.
There are an awful lot of sites listed in the SERPs with a snippet of "This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them." That's not very useful to either the searcher or to the site.
The purpose of <noscript> is to present alternate content for browsers which do not support JavaScript, or when the user has disabled Javascript intentionally. You might--for example--present a message saying, "Please enable JavaScript to take full advantage of our site's many features." Alternately, if JS is disabled, you might be able to use server-side code instead of JS if it's possible to add the same or similar functionality in that way.
Like anything, these tags can be can be abused, but this idea that <noframes> and <noscript> are in some way "only for SEO" is just not right.
Jim
We all jump to conclusions based on what we see in the first 20 results of our target search, but the reality is there are ways more people who use these tags correctly than use them for the purposes of spam.
Like anything, these tags can be can be abused, but this idea that <noframes> and <noscript> are in some way "only for SEO" is just not right.
Couldn't agree more jdMorgan. I see sites that stuff their noframes tags with keywords and then the masters wonder why their sites either get dropped or fall in the SERPs. Even though most all platforms and browsers are set up by default to use frames and javascript does mean that the tags are useless.
No, the tags were not invented for SEOs. They are legit tags that should be used accordingly for legit purposes.
I might be dating myself here, but I am sure there are others that remember the day when frames and jscript only workrd on a few of the "newest" browsers.
