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Google banning sites using Adsense Publisher ID

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mackandy

12:49 pm on Sep 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have nightmares of Google using the Publisher ID information from the source HTML of web pages.

ie Google would search for publisher ID, find related sites for that ID and then ban them if the interlinking is unnatural?

Wouldn't this be horrendous?

DaveAtIFG

6:10 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Mod's note: This discussion was already hijacked once, those comments have been removed, and we're going to try the discussion again.

As you post, please keep Terms of Service [webmasterworld.com] item 16 firmly in mind and remain on topic. Thanks! :)

nuevojefe

6:35 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yea of course it would.

What else are we supposed to say?

1. Get multiple accounts (get banned anyways)

2. Don't interlink or do anything shady with adsense sites (bye bye rankings for many)

3. Any other ideas?

jcoronella

6:45 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don't think that google will propogate a ban accross ID's, however I'm certain that the QA team for Adsense share that information with the QA team for search. It is conceivable a site could receive a QA warning from adsense and a PR0 days later.

I stay away from questionable techniques, but if I didn't I'd probably keep adsense off of sites that do anything to game google or risk the consequences.

WebGuerrilla

7:43 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That's the silliest thing I've heard. Google is making miliions off of all the AdSense ads being distributed across crappy spam sites. If those sites don't show up, they lose all that revenue.

So why would they want to ban them?

alexweb

8:02 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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To maintain their corporate integrity.

Jane_Doe

8:35 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>>>> Google is making miliions off of all the AdSense ads being distributed across crappy spam sites. If those sites don't show up, they lose all that revenue.

They just have weird corporate conflicts there between their Adwords/Adsense marketing and spam control departments since their objectives seem to be somewhat at cross purposes.

DaveAtIFG

8:56 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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weird corporate conflicts there between their Adwords/Adsense marketing and spam control departments
Exactly! Since Florida, Google has evolved into a contextual advertising system, yet many still think of it as a search engine. The SE department needs to maintain adequate quality to attract visitors (the content) so the advertising department makes enough money to pay the bills.

I don't believe offering the best quality SERPs possible is top priority anymore, SERPs simply need to be good enough to make money.

nuevojefe

9:50 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The question is how well do the crap sites that serve adsense convert as a whole compared to whatever they would label as a quality site (I guess that would be the site used to get in to adsense ;-) . If the conversions are low that can affect their AdWords revenue which is the lifeblood of it all.

Anyways DaveAtIFG, definitely not trying to rehijack the thread but I don't see where it's supposed to go from the OP. So, that's why in mssg#3 i've kinda asked for some clarification or ideas I guess.

DaveAtIFG

10:59 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There are plenty of ways for Google to identify related sites without using the publisher ID. This thread [webmasterworld.com] suggests quite a few.

>I have nightmares of Google
mackandy, you may not sleep for a week after you look at that thread!
;)

[edited by: DaveAtIFG at 11:01 pm (utc) on Sep. 3, 2004]

Small Website Guy

10:59 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It would be unprofitable for Google to penalize sites based on common AdSense IDs.

It would be better for Google to just focus on the telltale IDs for other ad networks, like Overture, Commission Junction, etc.

europeforvisitors

1:40 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)



It would be better for Google to just focus on the telltale IDs for other ad networks, like Overture, Commission Junction, etc.

Ain't gonna happen, though. Why? Because Google's stated corporate mission is to organize the Web's information, and many if not most information sites are supported by advertising in one form or another. If Google were to penalize or discount pages with PPC ads or affiliate links, the quality and utility of the search index would drop sharply, and so would Google's traffic and ad revenues.

Google might want to discount or ignore pages that consist entirely of ads or affiliate content, since listing such pages isn't in keeping with its stated mission, but at this point Google doesn't have the technical means to do so--except through indirect means such as an imperfect duplicate-content filter and warnings of terminated AdSense accounts from the AdSense team.

Small Website Guy

2:32 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I mean that Google would look at the ID codes on the ads to see if multiple websites have common ownership.

However, examining my Commission Junction ads, I see that each website has its own unique Publisher ID, so Google, another search engine, or curious humans, can't see if two websites have common ownership based on the Commission Junction ad code.

But Google Adsense ads have a common publisher ID. I wonder what the reasoning was for that? Don't they respect website owner privacy?

europeforvisitors

2:58 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)



I mean that Google would look at the ID codes on the ads to see if multiple websites have common ownership.

Ah. Yes, that would make sense. And if the owner were dumped from AdSense for shady behavior, having his or her sites flagged in the Google database might come in handy for QC reviews by the search team.

[edited by: WebGuerrilla at 10:15 pm (utc) on Sep. 8, 2004]
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oldskool79

6:46 pm on Sep 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I doubt Google would do this because it would open a door for competitors to get each other banned.

For example, I don't like website X, so I build a spammy site and stick website X's Adsense code on it. Google finds the spammy site and then bans all the domains with that Adsense code.