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Oh My - Entire Site Dropped

This is the first time it has ever happened to me...what to look for?

         

eggerda

4:16 pm on Aug 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hello -

The site in question has had over 30,000 pages indexed in Google since mid January. It had a PR 5 up until late last night.

This morning, it shows a PR0 on all pages, and when I do the "site:" command, there are no pages in the index.

Does this indicate a penalty, or would there need to be a "graybar" for a penalty?

I am not linking into any bad neighborhoods, I do not have a page called "links", and I do not have any sites in bad neighborhoods linking to me...

I do, however, have many pages for individual cities and states, and some of the text across these pages is the same.

Any ideas? I have 6 different websites - all very different - and this is the only one that got nailed today.

It finally happened to me, and it is NOT a good feeling.

Thanks for any advice...

Dan

webdude

2:58 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Vicente and others. I wonder if this is the same problem I am having regarding redirects.

see [webmasterworld.com...]

I have redirects in place, but googlbot is crawling the old pages and ignoring new. This has been going on for 2 months now.

Kukenan

9:08 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have tried 301 two or three times to merge the www.site.com/site.com thing. I chicken out of it in about a month and a half. Google will never follow them and my listings start suffering. I remove the 301. Back in business!

webdude

9:13 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just removed them. Will wait now about a month to see how the site does.

Vicente Duque

12:54 pm on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Webdude

You said :


Vicente and others. I wonder if this is the same problem I am having regarding redirects.

Exactly, Webdude, My problems are these :

1) I changed domain names in 3 websites for better ones. But Google doesn't accept that and continues pointing to nonexisting pages. Or to pages than only say "Click here" ( without 301 error, I am not so sophisticated )

Same trouble for pages that were moved from one existing domain to another existing one.

2)My numerous new pages of 2004 were all deleted except for some Home Pages. Even Original Content Sites with no Products or Offerings, they were original and text rich, but they were erased.

I don't know if I am crazy because of tension with this event. But I seem to perceive that there are hundreds of people complaining in this Forum about many Google Absurdities.

Their cases are not so grave as mine, but it seems that Google is crazy, referencing a lot of old non existing pages. And avoiding the new pages like the plague.

My personal experience : Google is filled with all kinds of commercial garbage, the keywords match the search but not the content which is garbage, trash, filth, dirt, etc ... unrelated to what I was looking for.

That happens very often. Google is not pure or chaste in any sense. It continuously references garbage.

Please tell me if I am wrong. I might be predujiced, biased or mentally deranged by my Super Deletion. But that is what I see! ....

A Corrupted Google :

Devils go to Heaven. Angels go to Hell ...
( Inside Google )

Vicente

Kukenan

2:46 pm on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Here is an analogy:

Google is now like a bookstore. They have lots of books, good interesting, relevant books, however, they make money by selling coffe and donuts.

Take away the books and nobody is ever going to visit their coffe shop.

SERPS=Books

Coffe & Donuts=AdWords

Get it? ;)

Kukenan

2:48 pm on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Analogy part two:

The more interesting the books are, the less time people spend in the coffee shop.

;-)

miammiam

4:37 pm on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Not bad analogy - I agree. If it wasn't for google's current focus on SERPS results, I doubt whether Yahoo! or MSN would be ploughing millions into improving theirs. Post-IPO if google starts serving up poor SERPS whilst focusing on Adwords, watch while Yahoo! & MSN do the same - PFI may be back on the scene again sooner than we think.

webdude

6:07 pm on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Vicente

I am having massive redirect problems. I have been checking my logs for the past couple of weeks and googlebot continually tries to crawl pages that either no longer exists, or pages that have 301 permanent redirects.

I deleted all the redirects yesterday and googlebot is still trying to crawl pages that are no longer there. It seems that once the bot hits one of these pages, it leaves and disappears 'til the next day.

I think googlebot is broken and may be the crux of some of the problems. The new pages that replaced the 301s are not in the index (past month and a half) the old pages still show PR and are listed in the index ranked normally.

I noticed this after what started out as a deep crawl. When googlebot tried crawling a non=existent page or a page with a 301, it immediately stopped and would disappear for a day and try again.

So what's up with that?

dazzlindonna

6:13 pm on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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According to Google's removal page, [google.com...] , regarding 301 redirects: "Changes made in this way will take 6-8 weeks to be reflected in Google."

webdude

6:59 pm on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Okay, I'll buy that. I'll wait 4 more weeks and see what happens.

Vicente Duque

7:57 pm on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Webdude :

Thanks for your Information and Help. I have similar problems with change of domain names ( for better ones )

I plan to change my life to developing beautiful publishing for the Internet and forget money for some time. Until I starve or become a fakhir, or until I am forced to the most humble and miserable jobs.

Life is too short, Life is a little instant. I can not spend all my life sending letters to Google, or satisfying Google requests, or getting links to my sites ( by begging or negotiation ).

That life of the Self-Marketer can be extremely miserable and stupid. Good Websites should have a chance without spending 8 hours a day in stupid marketing to satisfy Stupid Search Engines.

I am an optimist and I think that sooner or later someone will invent a better way to reach the public without trusting our lives to something so unreliable, so whimsical, so weak, so absurd, so corrupted ( increasing corruption ) etc ... as Google is.

Google can't encourage the ( Garbage Commercialism ) of Devils while punishing the Angels ( of Original Content ) forever. This can't go on.

Remember Abraham Lincoln on deceiving the People.

Someone will stop Google. It will be Yahoo, or MSN or someone else.

Vicente

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