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Is this a ban/filter that can be undone and does anyone know if I am heading for a full on grey bar?
My site is optimised and does not cross over as a site that spams.
Any feed back
Thanks
The question is this:
Have Google completely stopped carrying over PR value to whichever sites link from it or are they counting those pages just not as much as resources.htm for example.
My advice is simply don't exchange links with websites who only have links.htm etc as their links page.
I think links1, links2 etc still count but I imagine Google will soon make the same rule apply for those as well.
Of course this also means your own website suffers as a result, as the same would apply for internal pages.
Steve
see if PR is passed from them. That could explain things....
Also, we have a PR6-7 site (shifts) that has had a PR6 links.html page but our links2.html, links3.html, etc up to 6 haven't been awarded a page rank at all. The only pages they have links from is each other, meaning the only page they have links from with PR is links.html
So, it's pretty clear that the links.html pages don't even pass PR to internal pages. It's a total filter of the green.
That's what I've seen.
I guess my 3 sites about golf, chains and sausages are out of it then.
How did you get this from the messages above?
The thread is about if Google counts links from link.htm, links.asp. links.**** - nothing to do if Google does not or does like links (of course it does).
Kind of like swatting a fly with a sledge hammer.
I also have found examples of directories title "links" not appearing (e.g. www.site.com/links/widgets.htm).
These are the types of algo changes that put major hurt on many small players. They often lack the sophistication to know what is going on in the SEO world - in fact they sometimes aren't even interested in SEO.
WBF
Is it simply a case of Google not showing backlinks with links.htm etc etc, or are they discounting them completely.
My guess is that if they don't show them as backlinks in Google (link:www.domain.com) then they aren't even giving value.
Steve
Of course whether they're passing PR back is another question...
I assume that Google no like links purchased for PR purposes. But how does it tell? Is it possible that Google discount the PR from links to external sites on the home page as, on the balance of probabilities, it more likely to be a purchased link? (pure speculation on my part without a shred of evidence). There are obvious legitimate reasons for having external links on the home page - but from a search engines point of view, its probably 'on the balance of probabilities' - of course there will be some 'collateral damage', but I assume a lot if thing that Google sets out to detect by teh algorithm is done this way.
Did anybody having a site not passing PR use such a pagerank auction site (or whatever) that publishes the Domains that allow you to buy links?
First do a search on [inurl:links.html]
The very first result is
[travel.state.gov...]
There are a lot of links off that page that go to totally different domains. Try going to the consular section in Caracas:
[embajadausa.org.ve...]
and checking the backlinks.
My own .org links.php pages show up as backlinks and most .gov links pages show up as backlinks. Digging through the other links.html pages in that list and I find that even the .com links pages are showing up as backlinks.
While this does not show that links.* pages are never removed, it should certainly help convince you that a whole lot of them still survive.
I am shocked that no one seems to be interested in finding out why some are removed and others are not. If there is something about the page that is causing its removal, and google is only applying it to links.* pages so far, it seems to me that they could just as well apply it to other files in the future and you will find yourself scrambling again.
Find the real problem with your pages instead of just changing the name.
My personal site's links.html page (PR4) didn't show up as backlink for all my links on that page - about 8 and mostly to .edu and one to Bill Gates' site.
Now it does shows up.
I will maintain that whether the links show up or not, they are counted, and this random processing of links.* page might have had a different purpose of knowing who change their links.* names when faced with uncertainty.
Ahhh, the voice of reason. ;-)
How many times has this " G doesn't like links.tld " thing started, then been laid to rest, and then restarted all over again, I wonder...
I am shocked that no one seems to be interested in finding out why some are removed and others are not.
interested yes.... but not enough to actively seek / research an answer.
If one site out of 100 gets backlinks removed then I am not going to call my page link.tld...
Thats all i need to know..
I am shocked that no one seems to be interested in finding out why some are removed and others are not. If there is something about the page that is causing its removal, and google is only applying it to links.* pages so far, it seems to me that they could just as well apply it to other files in the future and you will find yourself scrambling again.
I agree and I am sure many ppl are attempting to find out what exactly they are doing 'wrong'. As there is no official publication by G regarding links pages or buying and selling or even exchanging links there is not allot to go on apart from trial and error and this Forum. 6 months ago G put a filter on (guesstimate) 1 in 10 sites who had a links page, some had the entire site filtered others had just certain pages. Now without changing anything sites are seeing PR being passed on and links/resources etc pages are also passing on PR. It has nothing to do with being interested or not and it is clearly out of our control as G is altering their alogs and until they decide what is in and what is out at each update, we will not know what exactly is causing the removal because they keep moving the goal posts!
Anyway my original post was about PR not being passed on to external sites that I linked to not just from the links page but also the home page. We can all see from the last update that this filter has now been lifted across many (but it seems not all) without lifting a finger. Yes I did rename my links page but this I feel was coincidence as other sites of mine still have a links page and the filter was also lifted from those sites. G tried to filter certain pages on sites but it caused a problem so they altered the alog again and soon they they will tweak it again.
All I can say is that you can minimise the chance of getting filtered but no matter what you do you will always be at risk of aggravating a spider or two and you are very limited in proactively ensuring that your site is optimised and at the same time 100% spider friendly.
And as far as G is concerned there is a very fine line between spam and SEO. Because of the increasing demand placed on Google to clear out spammy sites they have to, and just like thier stocks will be unpredictable!
