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Google and DMOZ

Google not fetching DMOZ description

         

webnewton

6:20 am on May 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's quite some time now, I think after Austin, that google is not showing the description it fectched from DMOZ for the sites listed there. Am i right?

1)If yes how relavent is getting your site listed at DMOZ these days.
2)Do you think DMOZ listing has any affect on Google rankings anymore?

Stefan

4:09 am on May 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes, G dumped the DMOZ description a while ago.

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1)If yes how relavent is getting your site listed at DMOZ these days.

As relevant as ever.

2)Do you think DMOZ listing has any affect on Google rankings anymore?

It still has the same value as it did before... it depends on the PR of the particular DMOZ page and the number of links on it. It is treated like any other page by G.

That being said, it is a foot in the door for every other SE, including new ones that might spring up to eventually replace Google. In the long run it has greater value than what G might give it, (imho, etc, etc). An ODP listing is nothing to be sneezed at.

webnewton

12:07 pm on May 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It still has the same value as it did before... it depends on the PR of the particular DMOZ page and the number of links on it. It is treated like any other page by G.

Well steafan do you want to say that a link from ODP has the same effect as that of a link from a page on anyother site of same PR and other attributes.
Isn't ODP lisitng used to carry some extra marks while ranking of a page in google serps till some time back.
I want to ask whethere these extra marks are still there or not.

JuniorOptimizer

12:58 pm on May 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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DMOZ listings are next to useless. They provide very little traffic and very little PR. Submit once and forget about it.

conroy

1:01 pm on May 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The reason why DMOZ links are so good is that you get hundreds of backlinks from all the clones out there that copy the directory.

ILuvSrchEngines

1:27 pm on May 3, 2004 (gmt 0)



>Well steafan do you want to say that a link from ODP has the same effect as that of a link from a page on anyother site of same PR and other attributes.

Many people here just parrot what GG says. This appears to be an example. They mean no harm, they just think GG would not be anything less than totally honest to them for some reason. Like they trust an annon poster who refuses to post anything officially. GG said ODP is treated just like any other link. In another famous remark he also said 'what used to work doesn't work any more'. No kidding?

Anyways, if you look at the top results in the 'money word' arena you will see that the first page is always dominated by ODP listed sites (if there is an ODP directory pages/s for your phrase), regardless of Google now hiding the attribute. (now I know that I will bring out some flame throwers for saying that, but that is the way I see it) And let me appologize again if I sound 'too negative' so that I hopefully won't get another love letter from a moderator. :-)

PS: As another example of how bad ODP is, I recently found one large company in a certain professional field that has been able to achieve editor rights on their own ODP category and they make a unique listing in the ODP for each of their clients. They appear to have quite a few clients.

>The reason why DMOZ links are so good is that you get hundreds of backlinks from all the clones out there that copy the directory.

Now if that were you or me Google with give us a duplicate site penalty and ban us.

Stefan

2:52 pm on May 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Many people here just parrot what GG says.

The belief that the ODP links are the same as any other seems to be much more widespread than just GG. But perhaps you're right... maybe there is some deep dark reason why we've all been misled on this. Myself, I'm quite happy with the two ODP links to our site, (both on PR6 pages with few links), so either way I still say, "An ODP listing is nothing to be sneezed at".

Now back to peeking out the window to see if the black helicopters have gone away....

ILuvSrchEngines

2:58 pm on May 3, 2004 (gmt 0)



>Now back to peeking out the window to see if the black helicopters have gone away....

Yes, everyone who posts anything negative about Google wears tin foil and sees black helicopters. We are all raving lunatics with bad or spamming web sites. Just keep repeating 'there's no-place like Google' Dorthy.

Stefan

3:01 pm on May 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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[webmasterworld.com...]

Msg #18.

ILuvSrchEngines

3:07 pm on May 3, 2004 (gmt 0)



Ooops. :-)

mars9820

3:55 pm on May 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well even with DMOZ being just another link it is a nice start for new websites.

Ever tried to swap links when you are PR 0 or PR 1.

Well the open directory doesn't look at PR that much when you submit your site. They will just list your site if it has valuable information. This gives most sites at least a PR of 4 or 5.

Which is of course a much better position to request to swap links with others or ask PR minded webmasters to link to them.

webnewton

5:53 am on May 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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IT seems ILuvSrchEngines is deeply in love with G.
:)
Well,as per i feel Dmoz listing used to have that extra edge. Its' not only about an extra link, or links from all those who fetch data from DMOZ.

I am not sure if the Dmoz listings have that extra edge or not. Is google drawing away from Dmoz.