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Google Directory vs. DMOZ

they are so very different...

         

bboomer

11:51 pm on Apr 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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How is it that a site can be in DMOZ for years but can't be found in the Google Directory? It's a normal site, no seo tricks, etc.

That's just one site, looks like there are hundreds or even thousands just like it.

Since google treats an authority link like gold now days wouldn't it be smart for them to count them all?

Boomer

choster

3:43 am on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ODP provides an RDF file of its database on a more or less weekly basis to the public (rdf.dmoz.org). Unfortunately, Google's download/update frequency in 2003 dropped from approximately monthly to... semiannually. I don't think I've ever heard a formal explanation.

steveb

9:27 am on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"for years" shouldn't exist. The Google Directory is less than a couple months behind now. And since the toolbar thingees updated with backlinks last week, maybe we'll see another update soon.

jtbell

12:15 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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How is it that a site can be in DMOZ for years but can't be found in the Google Directory?

Are you talking about the Google Directory or the Google web search? it makes a difference!

The Google Directory is basically just a copy of the DMOZ directory which might be up to a few months out of date. If a site has been in DMOZ for years, it should be in the Google Directory.

If you're talking about the Web search, are you sure the site isn't there? Have you tried a "site:your.domain.here" search? That should turn up all of your pages that Google knows about. Maybe you simply don't rank highly for whatever keywords you're searching for, because of low PR, poor on-page optimization, or whatever. Or maybe your site uses frames, which can prevent Google from seeing your inner pages. Or maybe the pages are dynamically generated with session ID's in the URL, which Google avoids crawling.

bboomer

1:16 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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<<<is basically just a copy of the DMOZ directory>>>

If you search for DomainName.com in DMOZ these sites are listed. Do the same search in directory.google.com and they are not listed - and, they don't show up in the tool bar as directory listings either.

Some of the sites have been in DMOZ for a very long time. It's like Google is missing whole chuncks of DMOZ data...

This has got to hurt their "athority link" theory not to mention people who are rightfully in the directory.

Boomer

jtbell

6:46 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You might want to ask about this in the Directories forum. Somebody just mentioned in a thread over there that DMOZ has been converting all their export data to UTF-8 character encoding, and that there have been a lot of glitches that they've had to clean up by hand. Perhaps that caused some entries or categories to drop out of the RDF dump temporarily, or Google couldn't process them properly, or something.

BigDave

7:11 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This has got to hurt their "athority link" theory not to mention people who are rightfully in the directory.

No one is "rightfully in the directory".

While it probably was some sort of glitch, every site owner has a right to decide who they are going to link to. It would not surprise me at all if google were to remove any penalized sites from the directory too.

bboomer

7:22 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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These sites are not under the Google penalty - just normal sites.

Boomer

BigDave

7:37 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That is great that they do not have a penalty, but they still do not have a right to be in the google directory or even DMOZ.

Have you actually gone to the same place in the google directory as in DMOZ to check if they are there, or did you only search for them? Is the site the only thing missing, or is it the entire category?

Is it only with this update of the directory, or has it been this way through a couple of updates?

I'm still betting on it just being a glitch that you will just have to wait out.

steveb

8:23 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What are you searching for? Go to the Dmoz page the site is listed in. Scroll to the bottom, click on the green globe. Look at the parallel Google Directory page.

With the possible exception of non-english pages that haven't caught up with the formatting thing yet, there aren't meaningful differences between the Google Directory and Dmoz.

cbpayne

10:02 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you search for DomainName.com in DMOZ these sites are listed. Do the same search in directory.google.com and they are not listed

Theres your problem. The DMOZ and Google search directory function are set up differently. The DMOZ search function is more aimed at finding categories. If a site does not show up in the DMOZ search, it does not necessarily mean its not listed - just drill down to the relevant category ... you have jumped to a wrong conclusion based on what you are seeing in a search result. Directories are meant for browsing and search engines for searching.

As stated above, if you dril down to any category and compare Google Directory to DMOZ, they are pretty much the same (Google Directory is currently a month or so behind DMOZ - not years)

bboomer

11:42 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sure wish examples were allowed here...

Boomer

steveb

11:45 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Use the sticky mail thingee.