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Outbound Links! Why?

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bufferzone

2:56 pm on Apr 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In Brett’s post “Successful Site in 12 Months with Google Alone [webmasterworld.com]”, he writs:

G) Outbound Links:
From every page, link to one or two high ranking sites under that particular keyword. Use your keyword in the link text (this is ultra important for the future).

Why is this important? and why is it ultra important for the future?

stevenb 1959

1:52 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have seen first hand what outgoing links can do. I created a website in the so called most competitive area of the web. I figured to successfully compete in this area would be the ultimate in performance and success. This website now lists very high in serps for highly competitive search terms related to the website. I had no intentions of using it for what it was intended for, just wanted to use it for analysis and testing. So now Overture is no longer accepting business from this business type on the web so I figure this would be a great time to trade my page rank with other websites so I can utilize it on my other non related websites. The mnore I exchange links and put on outbound links the faster my unique visitors via the search engines climb. So I conclude by this that outbound links are very important and I feel the amount of outbound links and themed to mine has a factor in the search engine placement of serps too.

JudgeJeffries

2:51 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Does any one think that the outbound anchor text can have any relevance to the donating site as its obviopusly highlighted in the cache presumably as being considered by the algo. Also if I have a ton out outgoings ie JF Ford dealership, JD Dord spares, GM Ford hire etc etc will I get nailed for stuffing. Any Ideas?

Silent_Bob

5:18 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I was actually trying to start a thread on this same topic, not having noticed that this one was here.

A site that is basically an affiliate of mine has PR6 with only four PR4-5 backlinks. By contrast I have 104 backlinks many of which are PR5 and 6, and one PR7, but only have a PR5.

The only difference I can see is that they have ten links on the bottom of every page pointing to very high ranking authority sites in the area. I was thinking that this might be why they are doing so well and reading this thread has made me think even more so that this could be the case.

GoogleGuy

5:48 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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JudgeJeffries, if you're linking to external sites (not affiliated with any of your sites), I'd use whatever anchortext seemed the most natural to you.

Macro

6:02 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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you're linking to external sites (not affiliated with any of your sites), I'd use whatever anchortext seemed the most natural to you

Googleguy, does this imply we've got to be a lot more careful about the anchor text used to link within our site or to other sites we own?

stevenb 1959

6:47 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Link to who you want but do it naturally. Dont deceive, algos see it for what it is.

JudgeJeffries

8:12 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"use whatever anchortext seemed the most natural to you"
My site map which is defintely stuffed seems to do (unintentionally) extremely well. Is this an indication of the value of (stuffed) internal anchor text that according to GG is Kosher? Does that correlate to the value of (stuffed) external anchor text?

JudgeJeffries

12:41 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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<bump>....Silence.
Do you Guys know something I dont?

europeforvisitors

12:59 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)



What Brett says makes sense and I know a lot of sites are building outward links purely for this purpose, but I'm a bit uncomfortable about it. If this works then all SEOs will be building links to relevant authority sites in their niche. As the authority sites are unlikely to reciprocate the links isn't it the case that in the long term our sites will lose PR, the authority sites will improve on their (already high) PR, and they will ultimately feature even better in Google?

Is that a bad thing for the user? IMHO, that's the main consideration from the search engine's point of view.

rogerd

1:21 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you doubt the power of outbound links, keep in mind that a few months ago web-design related searches often turned up sites with footer links to their web designer rather than the target of those links. This has been backed off, but I wouldn't entirely discount it.

Macro

3:26 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Is that a bad thing for the user?

Yes, it is a bad thing. It's a very bad thing. If I type in "brandname" or "brandname widget" I want to go to Brandname's site... not some affiliate with millions of spammy links.

And if I'm looking for a web designer I want to get web designer sites in SERPS, not sites selling ladies underwear (where I have to fumble around to find a link to a webdesigner in micro size font at the bottom of the page)

rogerd

3:38 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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not sites selling ladies underwear

Yeah, that could be a major productivity loss, Macro.;) It does seem that this is less of a problem now - those old SERPs were pretty awful.

europeforvisitors

3:38 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)



Yes, it is a bad thing. It's a very bad thing. If I type in "brandname" or "brandname widget" I want to go to Brandname's site... not some affiliate with millions of spammy links.

My post (and the one to which I was responding) referred to "authority sites," not to affiliate sites with millions of spammy links. If Google can't tell the difference between the two, that's a problem, but the principle of giving higher search rankings to authority sites is likely to be good for users.

IITian

5:12 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In my view, Google almost killed the natural linking mechanism of the web by showing us PR and will try hard to correct the situation by rewarding sites that do link outwards. Otherwise, pretty soon, every site or a small clusters of sites will be an island by itself sending out no outward links.

Moreover, I believe that Google's warning about linking to bad neighborhoods should be removed since it inhibits many webmasters, like me, to sites that we feel might be useful to our visitors but are not the traditional authority sites like universities and governments, since we are not sure. We just don't want to be penalized for doing something we thought would help the visitors and Google should not penalize sites for linking to questionable sites unless almost all outward link is to such sites. This will allow newer and better sites to become authority instead of the same traditional authorities carrying on.

europeforvisitors

6:29 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)



Moreover, I believe that Google's warning about linking to bad neighborhoods should be removed since it inhibits many webmasters, like me, to sites that we feel might be useful to our visitors but are not the traditional authority sites like universities and governments, since we are not sure. We just don't want to be penalized for doing something we thought would help the visitors and Google should not penalize sites for linking to questionable sites unless almost all outward link is to such sites. This will allow newer and better sites to become authority instead of the same traditional authorities carrying on.

I don't think this is a serious problem, because "bad neighborhood" sites are unlikely to receive many legitimate links. They certainly aren't the kinds of sites that are likely to become authorities.

nuevojefe

6:19 am on Apr 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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...So now Overture is no longer accepting business from this business type on the web so I figure this would be a great time to trade my page rank with other websites so I can utilize it on my other non related websites. The mnore I exchange links and put on outbound links the faster my unique visitors via the search engines climb. So I conclude by this that outbound links are very important and I feel the amount of outbound links and themed to mine has a factor in the search engine placement of serps too.

I have seen this too, often times it's because your site has a type of authority rank, so when you use terms in links (in and out) you'll often rank much higher than the sites which you link too, when their content is 100% related and yours only has the key phrase in anchor once.

Powdork

7:58 am on Apr 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I was thinking about this thread and something occurred to me.
What if Google were to follow the links on your site and then give your site a boost (or drop) based on what it finds on the other end. For instance, a site about a Western State links to various aspects of the state in a descriptive manner. Google follows the links and
1. Compares the content to the anchor text.
2. Compares the content of the destination to the theme of the linking site for relevance.
3. Examines the link as it compares to a web map. (More value for uniqueness given that steps 1 and 2 are met.)
4. Whatever else.
Then Google uses the information to determine the value of your site as an authority for given subjects (queries). It would be an all or nothing type thing. Not passing any one of the steps could eliminate any value given to the outbound link.
That way you would be rewarded for hunting out valuable information and presenting it to the search engines.

Two cents at 1:00 am is worth less:)

Macro

8:11 am on Apr 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It would be an all or nothing type thing

There go all the sites that link with the anchor text "click here".

stevenb 1959

1:55 pm on Apr 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Powdork.
I have seen lots of examples in my analysis to back up the basis of your ideas. I also see it for both receiver and giver of link.

stevenb 1959

5:43 pm on Apr 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Base your internal and external links similar to how they are laid out in a directory as directories are top in serps. Remember every web page is on its own, so think of it as your website or page( in its pyramid form, as a piece of the directory and its pyramid form( then compare the directory as the whole web) and link your internal pages appropriately and make sure your external inbound and outbound links are linked in a similar fashion. This is a model of how you relate to the web in googles algo.
If the serps say that directories are top results then that is the basis of googles algo. Work in that direction and you will do great.

stevenb 1959

6:03 pm on Apr 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Also consider that similar to a directory your website (or web page) needs in bound links from different directions to validate each page. I would recommend you get inbound and outbound links on each page to validate each page this way, then these pages validate the pages they are pointed to, and so on and so on.
If you have 300 page website and 50 of the pages are related to something then link those 50 to your page in question with appropriate anchor text to validate the page. If these 50 pages are off website then they have to be done the same way(theming or related to verify where they are pointing to). This is all that a directory verifies to get top placement in serps. It all boils down to proper link structure , on and off website to validate the next page the person or spider is going to. That is the bases of Google new algo and the direction of search engine. And to verify the webpage a webpage points to, if the anchor text link say "word1 word2" then that page doesnot need that word combination splattered all over the page. twice is suffice for Google, more for the other engines til there algo catches up to google if that is the direction the other search wengines are headed. THE EXACT PHRASE HAS TO BE SAID ONLY TWICE TO VERIFY ITS EXTERNAL LINK AND THE PAGE TOPIC IT IS ON and if the page is linked to as "word1 word2" then you CANNOT pass page rank from that page to the next page it points to for that exact phrase. It works wonders for me, except I have surplus page rank to share ( to benefit me and the person I link to) but I always get people trying to link exchange that want to screw me. I cant believe there is no smart linkers out there.
Anyone elses comments and ideas would be greatly appreciated. To summarize , verify page by linking in Anchor text and explain all about it on the actual page.

stevenb 1959

6:21 pm on Apr 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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When you think of the outcome results, you see the present optimizing methods of unlike pages linking to something unrelated then this gives us serp results that arenot on topic.
Also I see a benefit if a page has the "search term" on the page only twice then the description in serps will be greatly enhanced in that it willnot look like a jumble of mixed up words.

eclipse

6:35 pm on Apr 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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stevenb 1959 Do You mean that each of my internal page should link out and that i should get links to my internal pages, so they will be "verified"?

stevenb 1959

6:46 pm on Apr 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What I mean is fit your website into the flow of the WWW like a website fits into the flow of a directory to be on track with the current algo trends. The algo is set up such that offsite has more validity, as in general we have less control of outside(off website) pages which thus minimizes spamming techniques and when visitor gets to page in question, they find what they want and not alot of repetitive overoptimized phrase search terms. This algo set up is a beautiful work of art, but the biggest obstacle I see before the search engines is changing the web in a 180 degree about face. That is why they nuture us, like they do here in discussions in this forum and we can then make the choice to go in the direction we want.

stevenb 1959

2:23 pm on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Proper links and with the right people are so important and valuable right now that I have a plan and I want to read your opinions on it.
I am going to analyse the serps and see a website I would like a link from that the website is built properly and isnot spam. I am going to make sure they are on the second page of serps for a highly searched key word. Then I am going to link to them and put them on the first page of serps for that key word. They should see in their stats that they are being found alot more for this key word. Then I am going to email them and see if they are interested in giving me a link in exchange. I only really want to link to someone that it benefits as there strength will benifit me. With the new algos and outgoing links and sharing pagerank so important, I have so much page rank to share (get rid of) it is starting to worry me that there is no one that appreciates it and/or wants to use it. That is how important to me "outbound links" are!
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