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New site - do inbound links help?

         

manzan

4:33 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We just launched a new e-commerce site which does not have inbound links yet. We submitted the site to Google and Yahoo. Google 'sampled' a couple of pages about 12 days ago and has never crawled since. Yahoo hasn't started crawling yet. Do you think inbound links are critical to get the crawling going?

rfgdxm1

8:06 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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YES!

jbinbpt

8:11 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Have you considered submitting to Froogle?

bufferzone

8:26 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google thrives on incoming links. It is THE major factor in PR and therefore the major factor determining your placement in Google.

Remember that Google also consider the relevance of the links if you sell Widgets, links form other sits that are placed well for the keyword widgets are more relevant for you and holds higher value

rfgdxm1

8:35 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>Remember that Google also consider the relevance of the links if you sell Widgets, links form other sits that are placed well for the keyword widgets are more relevant for you and holds higher value

I have seen no evidence that this is so.

bufferzone

9:36 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It might be my command of the English language that leaves something to be desired. What I am trying to say is this

One inbound link from a PageRank 7 site is better than 2 links from a PageRank 2 site And the best links are links that are connected with your own keywords (have your keyword in the href text, or hits high in Google for that word)

rfgdxm1

9:45 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>And the best links are links that are connected with your own keywords (have your keyword in the href text, or hits high in Google for that word)

Having your keyword in the anchor text most definitely helps with Google. What I was saying is I see no evidence that if the page in question sells widgets, a link from a PR7 page on another site about widget safety is any better than an identical link on a PR7 page about nuclear particle physics. IOW, a vote is a vote, and counted equally no matter the content of the linking page.

bufferzone

11:00 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I haven’t seen any examples on this in practise either, but read the advice her on WebmasterWorld. Quit a wile back the advise was to search for widgets +”sign guestbook” because it would give you relevant links coming from sits relevant for the same keyword.

mcavill

11:26 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>widgets +”sign guestbook”

i'd guess google might be looking to discount those sorts of links and / or the producers of the guestbook / blogs etc might plan to make the links non spiderable...but if you're not bothered about longer term, I guess any freebie link text will help on the way.

With new sites I usually try to submit to a few of the smaller directories - fathom's post on [webmasterworld.com...] is a good start - I also have a look at a few related DMOZ categories, and check out the people linking to your competition - either the link:www.mycompetitor.com search on google and the others, or point xenu at them and see who they link out to (I'd recommend having taskmanager at the ready to kill xenu if the site is huge :) )

bufferzone

11:55 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Mcavill>>Good link, thank’s, I flaged it for future referanse

>>i'd guess Google might be looking to discount those sorts of links

You can find lots of discussions on this topic but no conclusive evidence, I sign myself when I have nothing better to do and the links show up in Google backwards links, It is something you need to do on a regular basis since the links from guestbook’s disappear over time when the older pages are removed from the guestbook. DOMZ is a must, but I often find it quit hard work to get in, maybe I do something wrong I need to look into that more closely

manzan

12:49 am on Apr 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the replies, but my question is about crawling rather than placement, ranking, etc.. Does the time it takes for Googlebot to start deep crawling the site also depend on the number of inbound links?

Poppy122

1:10 am on Apr 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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manzan,

Sites with incoming links from important pages get crawled deep.

Sites with no incoming links will most likely never get crawled.

Source: Trial & Error.
Source: Cause & affect.
Source: Almost everybody at WW

manzan

1:17 am on Apr 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks! This is exactly what I was looking for - looks like I have to hunt for some inbound links.
Does google even consider "guestbook sign" links anymore. While ago in webmasterworld it was mentioned that google is discounting them even if they do show up. At this point I am not even looking for relevance. I just want the site to be crawled.

manzan

1:20 am on Apr 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Also, does page rank even matter anymore in google?
Atleast for the keyword that I researched, I don't see that it matters much - result of florida update, I guess.

jpell

2:24 am on Apr 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sites with incoming links from important pages get crawled deep.

Sites with no incoming links will most likely never get crawled.

This is something else to think about when linking. It relates to something I've been researching with regards to getting sites to link to individual pages rather than the index page. (Submitting articles to high PR sites with a byline containing a link pointing to a sub page rather than the index page). Not only for higher PR and SERP for pages that don't rank as well (the site I am referencing is all content with one amayouknowwho link and one adyouknowwho link btw, just to cover hosting and experiments). I have great reciprocal links for sites with higher PR than mine (PR4) and all relating to my broad based topic. They all point to my index page. My PR has never changed with 0 links from them at launch and to date. If you are competing with something as large as Merideth Corporation for a particular keyword phrase (which I am, in theory LOL, but that is as close as I have come), I am beginning to think that inward bound links will help more with traffic to individual pages rather than to the index page.
Jpell

Poppy122

4:13 am on Apr 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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manzan,
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Does google even consider "guestbook sign" links anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The debate continues. Maybe if they slip through the filter cracks…if there is a filter. But, they probably can’t hurt you any.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Also, does page rank even matter anymore in google?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

In my own experience, when I went from a pr4 to a pr6 my traffic tripled in a very short time. Most of it to interior pages.

manzan

1:03 am on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"In my own experience, when I went from a pr4 to a pr6 my traffic tripled in a very short time. Most of it to interior pages"

Good for you. But for one of my existing sites with PR6, after the florida update, I do not see the correlation between high page rank and good serps. Most of the sites listed above me have page rank lower than me. Previous to the florida update, I spent a lot of time trying to up my page rank, but now I am not motivated to do that anymore.