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After florida how relavant is page rank

         

webnewton

12:41 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ever since florida no one is sure what is working and what's not. Page rank which used to be a criteria in google ranking algorithm is in question again. My questions:

1) Has page rank become relavent again(wrt google ranking criteria? If yes how much importance has it been assigned?
2) Does Google use the same old equation to measure page rank.
3) Does something such as page rank leak exists(Google guy has always evaded answering this). If yes do we really need to gauge this?

SyntheticUpper

1:41 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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1) don't know
2) don't know
3) yes, it's part of the original algo, and very well documented. But the web is based on links. Feel free to attempt to 'plug leaks', but if your lack of generosity leads to your downfall, you've been too worried about plugging them, and not concerned enough with linking to information your visitors might need.

ciml

1:49 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don't think it's a case of PageRank being important one day and not the next, more that Google use quite a lot of factors and PageRank by itself doesn't determine the rankings in the same was as it did when it was a PHD project.

Is the equation the same? Well, there have been additions (eg. penalties and the >100 links per page thing at various times), but I don't notice PR propagating now differently from before. Except maybe there seem to be more URL-only listings now.

PageRank leak exisits, in so far as you can cycle less PR within your pages if you send some away. It really doesn't make a big difference - not noticeable if you have any links out already and just want to add more.

Mohamed_E

2:29 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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From a recent BBC News [news.bbc.co.uk] interview with Craig Silverstein:

The secret of its success lie in the page-ranking system it uses to analyse the web. At a basic level, this judges the relevance of a page by counting how many other pages link to it.

"A rank list is not the most natural way to find information," admitted Mr Silverstein. "We think about that a lot but we're not convinced the alternatives are better."

"The idea of ranking a page is always going to be important."

webnewton

5:55 am on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thx Ciml.

What i've noticed after florida is that Page rank has again become an important consideration in Google ranking criteria. Ofcourse you need to have enough backword links and meet other optimization criteria.

As you guys say that page rank leak do exist can you suggest some way (other that putting robot.txt)so that google is not able to read the outbound links from the site. I understand that page rank leak doesn't matter much and in some case the outbond links help where they are considered as experts. But still there are a few links which i dont' want google to read.

MarkHutch

6:02 am on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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there are a few links which i dont' want google to read.

Why not just get rid of those links you don't want them to see? Don't mean to be blunt, but I'm trying to understand why you want to have those links on your pages, but keep Google from noticing them.

If these are sites that traded links with you, but you don't want to lose PR to them, then you might be in for a big surprise if you ban those pages and/or directories via robots.txt. Remember, everyone can read robots.txt, not just spiders.

Thanks.

webnewton

10:16 am on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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why you want to have those links on your pages, but keep Google from noticing them.

Mark these are affiliate links and i want to hide them from google and to test the results.

Antonsen

11:43 am on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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PR leakage and loosing PR seems weird to me...

Do you guys really mean that you loose PR by linking to other sites?!? And then the page rank on your page is going down?

As far as I know PR is calculated from the inbound links.

Instead try to look at PR like something that float through your site and when you view it you see a snapshot of the total value calculated by all the incoming links.

Correct me if I'm wrong...

MikeBeverley

4:17 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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webnewton - "Mark these are affiliate links and i want to hide them from google and to test the results."

Google can't penalise affiliate links. It could try and penalise excessive affiliate links (affiliate marketer spam sites) but even that would be a dangerous area to move to.
Everyone has to earn a living and most non-profit, charity and directories use affiliate links to give them an income. Does that mean that they should be remove/dropped/penalised in the Google results?

As for the question of PageRank, yes it is still important for many other reasons that ranking but the real important factor isn't links from high PR sites, it's getting links from high PR sites that are of the same topic and who put keywords in the linking text.

MikeBeverley

4:21 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Antonsen - PageRank is not just calculated on inbound links from other sites, it's from your own pages too which is where PageRank can leak from.

If your main page is PR4 and you link to ten pages of your own site then the PR is passed from your main page to those pages. If your main page links to ten of your own pages and has ten links to other sites then that PageRank is shared between 20 links ('votes') so your own pages will recieve half the amount of PageRank that they could.

Any good PageRank lecture/article should give you more specific information and even some pretty diagrams. Sticky me if you don't know of any.

jsnow

4:38 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am also looking at an affiliate scheme (First one) and at the moment don't want to include a link on every page as this will cause so much PR loss.

If anyone has any suggestions I would be interested to know what they are?

Antonsen

10:12 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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MikeBeverley: okay... if it was that way everyone was thinking I understand... I thought for a moment everyone was way off their understanding of how PR works..

:)

webnewton

9:19 am on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Problem still remains. How to provide links so as to avoid page rank leak and also make sure that google is not able to read them.(Pls don't suggest using robot.txt as i want the page to be indexed)