OK ye old web wizzards.
Please give your opinion on key word density for the google folks.
I keep running across statements that say any more than 12 or 13 of the same keyword per page will be considered an attempt at spamming the keyword. However I see many top ranked pages with 20-30 key words. If there is an absolute limite per page I really need to know. I have a hard time keeping the key word count low. I could go increase the usage easier than limit use.
Sound right off an give your thoughts on total page limits and density %.
After all you pros sound off with good advice lets hear from the master black belt google champ who I know is out there in the shadows with the facts to tell us who is on track and who is not and step up to the plate and say what is more fact and not fiction and he knows he is right because he is the black belt master google king and I for one will listen to the kung fu master who steps up with pride and helps.
thanks for your help