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Is this happening to anybody else? I am beggining to worry...
Any imput is apprecited.
My site is currently atrociously ranked by Google, why would the Adsense bot call in?
All pretty sad. I thought that search engines understood long ago that # of inbound links can be artifically inflated?
You are just getting this now? It has been this way for years. "Apple" ranking #1 for computers is a perfect example of the system WORKING. Why should a page with 300 "votes" rank with a page with 100,000? This is what the entire concept of ALL search engines is based on. There is NO "on page seo" that can't be learned in a day.
Although I realized before that a linking program is important for every site, I do not believe that SEO should be ignored. If a page has heaps of incoming links but no on-page SEO it should *NOT* be ranked for that keyword.
MFishy, I think that you too are missing something or you are not reading what I said in my email. Sure they will get massive PR points from incoming links that use their KW. I don't deny this, but WHY don't they mention the word on their own sites?
As I said earlier this cannot be accidental. The entire concept of ALL search engines is not based on this. It is based on keywords and site context. All I was a asking for was an explanation to this particularly strange phenomenon.
Are you kidding me? You think Google is trying to rank sites based on their "SEO"!
Shouls Google or AltaVista not rank highly for the term search engnine because they do not "spell it out"? Should Dell and Apple not rank for computers because they don't have "computers" on their page? Seems pretty silly.
<<Although I realized before that a linking program is important for every site>>
You are missing the point. It is not about a "linking program", that was a side effect of the algo. It is about using links to determine rank and relevance.
<<Sure they will get massive PR points from incoming links that use their KW.>>
No, the anchor text has nothing to do with PR but scoring instead.
( ... and please don't say that they don't need to because all of their incoming links mention computers.)
At the bottom of the apple.com home page. My guess is these companies are so big they don't see SEO as a priority.
Oh, that was your point? To ask about how Apple decided to make their site? Dunno. What does that have to do with Google if not about anchor text links? Are you saying that this is a stealth seo strategy? :)
[edited by: mfishy at 11:12 pm (utc) on Feb. 23, 2004]
Yeah but this makes it even weirder as the term computer is not highlighted in the cache.
Did Google start a trusted feed program and not tell anybody?
All I have been trying to say all along is that this it is not normal for any company who are selling a product not to mention this product on their home page. Web design basics tell us that the home page should be unambiguous, in your face and tell its visitors immediately what the site is all about. Contrary to other opinions being expressed it is not definitely not normal to avoid using the generic name of your product.
All I am asking is for a considered comment about why this should be. Does anyone have any idea if this is significant?
Apple, dell, and others do not make a point to make their sites for search engines, but rather to convert the ENORMOUS amount of type through traffic that they receive through multi-million dollar DAILY offline ad budgets and to convey their particulat marketing message.
IN terms of SEO, it happens to be insignificant as well, due to their tremendous amount of backlinks. This has ZERO to do with the site they designed however. If it is not clear what they do when you somehow stumbled across the apple site, you probably aren't "their customer" anyhow :)
Have you checked your DNS settings?
I am referring to the www and non-www settings, it may be worth doing a NS lookup or speaking with your hosting provider. A 301 redirect fixes the symptoms but if the DNS settings are incorrect it makes sense to correct them first then setup a redirect. Many DNS or hosting providers setup www and non-www as an A record (or individual Host name pointing to the same account or IP address) what is inferred by GoogleGuy in the post you mentioned is that your DNS should be setup as a CName (canonical name) on one of the entries.
And, take a look at the Apple site. The home page currently features the iPod. My guess is that Apple doesn't want to get pigeonholed as "just a computer company".
If the answer is links I need to spend some quality time building more links.
I dont see dell or compaq or apple anywhere.
The results for allintext and computers are almost identical except for the addition of the largest computer manufacturers in the world. Is there any question about google squashing the small guy? Im not crying about my sites I dont sell computers I sell seo services :) im just saying if you put what larry page said about the perfect search engine (should return exactly what you want when you search for it) combine that with google ipo and adwords and paid inclusion and you may have the pieces of that puzzel. Would it be bad if google chose big companies to come up for a popular keyword.
under this amazon and barnes and nobel should come up first for books
holy cows batman they do
[google.com...]
I am a search engine expert who has realized something else is going on beyond my control. but I see why it exists, google wants the most accurate result to come up and if there is a company that people relate with a keyword it must come up regardless of our efforts. if not it would be inaccurate to the surfer that is the point of google to come up with the exactly what your looking for.
Yeah but this makes it even weirder as the term computer is not highlighted in the cache.
http*//66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:5iRmnZTn43cJ:www.apple.com/+computer
If the answer is links I need to spend some quality time building more links.
The results for allintext and computers are almost identical except for the addition of the largest computer manufacturers in the world.
The answer is pretty simple, no point in making theories. As mentioned earlier, more number of backlinks and the anchor text in them play a significant part in Google ranking. How else would google.com or altavista come up in serps when someone searches for "Search engines"?
Imaster thank you for your contribution. I bow to your greater knowledge of this and I do fully understand the value of the incoming links that these large companies attract.
However I would suggest that there is a lot of point in making theories on forums such as these. I am just surprised that experts like Mfishy appear to get really crabbit when someone asks a simple question like, "Why do two of the top computer companies in the World appear to be deliberately avoiding the use of the word computers on their sites?"
Mfishy said, "Let me make this clear. There is no significance to this. Is that better?" My answer is no, that is most definitely not better. No one has yet commented on why this is occurring or the statistical improbability of it happening by coincidence.
As an extreme example of on/off page keywords, just try googling for 'miserable failure'
No.1 result!
Say no more.
Googlebot came by at 11:45 last night.
Had a small bite and left.
75% of my pages show only urls.
Wonder when this will be fixed.
However I would suggest that there is a lot of point in making theories on forums such as these. I am just surprised that experts like Mfishy appear to get really crabbit when someone asks a simple question like, "Why do two of the top computer companies in the World appear to be deliberately avoiding the use of the word computers on their sites?"
Do you imply the biggest manufacturer of Computers would drop from #3 by writing its full name into the <title>-tag?
I wasn't implying anything. I was actually looking for some of the experts to comment on what I saw as an unusual situation. I am busy so this is the end of story - finished - no further comment!
(Unless someone has anything constructive to add about my original point :>)
I have quite a few factual pages free-hosted on Geocities which have completely disappeared from Google. [So it's not commercial for me, just frustrating!]
They went, slowly, late December and through early January. Except for one set which is still in Google - I have no idea why.
Even more curiously one of the 'gone' pages now turns up as a 'supplemental result', even though its a real live page.
I don't understand: the relation of supplementals to main; the partial weeding of my sites; the lack of indexing for at least a month and a half.
The sites are really inoffensive googlewise... just plain old html. The sites spider with no problems on simulators. Anyone else having problems with Geocities?
Shepherd
P.S. The pages don't have grey PR - which I read means banned [I have no idea if that's true] just PR 0.
I have a site with PR6 on main page, various pages thoughout site are on between PR1-PR4. The PR is still on 6 now, but I am NO WHERE to be seen in the search results.
Certain string that put me in the top 5 dont seem to work for me anymore.
I have read through this post hoping to see an explaination, but I understand it can be anything.
A few questions form the posts i've read.
The site in question is on my server, and both the www.*.com and www.*.co.uk domains are DNS forwarded to the server, so the *.co.uk and *.com domains are nothing to do with the site. I'm sure this is ok, as its been the case for years.
We are expecting lots of US traffic in the coming months and this is real bad timing, although I dont think a companies success should be on the google hits, but it helps :)
Cheers
Roel
