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Is this happening to anybody else? I am beggining to worry...
Any imput is apprecited.
Googleguy, can you shed some light onto this matter please? It looks like a real enough phenomenon.
>>is there anything else that can be done to speed the process?
Ask your backlinks (including dmoz) to switch to the new pages...
>>The front page, PR6, isn't cached, but it does have recorded back links.
Yes, I have the same, no index page (although mine is PR4) listed, but it has backlinks
>>links to domain with www. and without www.
Yes, I have links pointing to both without and with www.
>>Similarity in pages
I use a template, but my main content (ie. the article is completely different each time) - The sites that have been having this issue, have they been using templates? This started happening when I changed to my new template I believe.
Checked my pages again, and I noticed that only a very limited number got updated to the new versions since I changed to the template...
Another really interesting thing is this:
Google total pages in October 2003: 3,307,998,701 web pages
(see the WayBackMachine) It has been like this for most of 2003.
Google total pages in February 2004: 4,285,199,774 web pages
That's almost a 30% increase! Surely even Google can have issues growing this much in a short timeframe.
GoogleGuy, can you comment on this, a lot of webmasters having serious issues with this. Was checking on some other forums and more and more serious, decent webmasters are having this issue...
1 Google is like a grandfather. A grandfather that is frustrating, cantankerous, impossible to understand and suffering from recurring Alzheimer’s, who doesn't visit for a month, then spends the following week camped out in your front room like you are the only friend he has in the world. However he is the only Grandfather I have, and he does send me gifts in the post which are always welcome. There are days I may feel like suffocating him and doing without a Grandfather but what choice do I really have?
2 No one knows what is going on. This is difficult to accept I know. Being a geek myself I like to think I can figure stuff out, but I am yet to find one definitive reply in the whole site. Look at the forum posts and this thread. I am reminded of saying " A SEO trying to find the best way to optimise a site for Google is like a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there." We don't know, we may never know.
3 I don't think Google really know. :0 My experience of distributed computing and complex algorithms is limited. However I think the system is so complex that one employee of Google will give you their best guess, no more, no less, no one person knows enough, and never could. Like Microsoft and windows.. to complex.. there is no longer such a thing as a simple tweak or data update.
4 Knowing these things I understand that my traffic while rise and fall, Google will index all 35,000 pages this week, then not come back for three months. I will be 1st for my phrase this month.. never to be seen again next month. Some sites it will give 0 PR after 8 months with decent links. It won't answer our questions with a simple answer because none exists, there is no transparency because no one person understands how it all works. So pop a bud, put your feet up and enjoy the ride :)
I have a problem with 75% of my pages showing a url only. Googebot has not visited for 10 days.
GoogleGuy, can you comment on this, a lot of webmasters having serious issues with this. Was checking on some other forums and more and more serious, decent webmasters are having this issue...
Sent inquiry to webmaster @google.com subject brandyupdate but as yet no response.
www.mysite.com is not listed in google
mysite.com is
I recently updated all my internal links to www.mysite.com/page
Maybe mysite.com is dying (since I removed the links) and www.mysite.com is going through a "new site" cycle (taking couple of months)?
Couple of questions
1. Has anyone seen a decrease in visitors on their site because of this
2. What if Google (recently) started seeing www. and without www. as different pages (explaining the 30% increase)
although if you go to mysite.com the index page still will come up (obviously)
this is my first post inhere... I am a webmaster (from Slovenia EU) for a long time now...
my new pages example.tld1 and example.tld2 are in the 1st places under keyword "example"... but PR is still white! Than you can look www.example.tld3 from 1998... which is my old page with PR4... also in the 1st page in G...
What can you learn from this? Patience my friends...
BIG G isn't some coffee making machine... just imagine how freaky thing that is... Terminator and Arnold S. cums in my mind ;) it is only a matter of time, when G will aware itself and say "MAMA" one sunny day... than what!?!
U know what matters now 4 me? example.tld1 in the 1st place on G... U know what don't matters 2 me right now... white PR ;) I still have phonecalls every day... nomatter of PR 0/10 ;)
I hope and believe, that I found a really good place on the net for SEO and SEM etc... and some really cool people inhere... I hope you will enjoy my bad English ;)
K!ng
[edited by: heini at 11:31 am (utc) on Feb. 23, 2004]
[edit reason] Yup, please don't use real urls and keywords, thank you! [/edit]
I didn't know that I shouldn't do that... in mydomain.biz anyone may add their own real urls into my guest book or forum... in my opinion... how else could anyone know with who they deal with?
K!ng
Still nothing for the other site.
Prior to this my site was regularly getting spidered and fresh pages indexed.
On the 22 Feb, I saw a fresh date of 20 Feb (why 2 days behind?) on the 20 the cache was the same but today on the 22 it is the new cache.
I don't think it's affected to PR because Ive heard it happen to other sites that are anything from PR2 to PR7!
Just out of interest are any of you in the UK who are having problems? I was beginning to think it was a server problem because I couldn't send emails to AOL members for 24 hours due to a problem.
I'm a bit of newbie, so I've been kind of hoping that this was a normal variance, and that the bot would be back to usual visits soon. Now you guys have me concerned.
[google.com...]
I believe, that even god G itself don't know the answers to your questions...
K!ng
I would hope to see the non-spidering thing fixed towards the end of March.
I have pleaded with GoogleGuy, sent emails with codewords to Google as he requested, asked him how long I have to wait for them to index me again all (so far) with no useful response. I am afraid that the end of March may be too late for me. I suffered from Florida (seriously), Austin (drastically) and Brandy (catastrophically). My one man show may not be able to survive another month or more. I have told Google this but then - why should they care?
Hey... bible G is one solution... but what bout other religions?;)
Internet is much more than Google...
K!ng
The big problem for all of us who are not getting crawled is that nothing seems to be getting done about it. Last week GoogleGuy suggested that those of us who were not getting spidered could have been affected by "canonicalization". This is the process where your site is seen as two sites, [yourdomain....] com and [yourdomain....] com. He offered us a possible fix if we emailed him. You can read his comments
in message 42 of this thread: [webmasterworld.com...] I understand that a few of us did this but as far as I know none of the sites has since been spidered. Please correct me if I am wrong on this.
You do however have a point with your search on "computers". What I did notice about this particular search was that the big companies at the top of the list don't use their Keyword at all on their home pages. In fact it looks like they are avoiding it altogether. Whoever heard of a company that sells computers having a text rich home page that does not mention their main KW anywhere?
Is this taking Latent Semantic Indexing to some kind of level that I don't understand? These sites have PR8, 9 and 10 but surely they should not be found when the KW does not appear on the page? As far as I can see they use only brand and model names which LSI should not recognise unless it is specifically programmed to do so.
I am totally confused about this and I smell something fishy so can someone who knows more about this than me please help me to understand how this can happen? Following Google's guidelines should mean that these sites should just NOT be ranked. Are they paying to be at the top of the FREE listings?
with your search on "computers".
If I have a site selling fish I would make sure that I mentioned fish somewhere, (or perhaps fishy!) ;o{
Think about it, you sell computers and by some trick of fate your website copywriters manage to create your home page without mentioning the word computer once - even by accident? I still think this is very, very strange. This is no accident. There must be some reason for it.
