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Update Florida - Nov 2003 Google Update Part 4

         

Kackle

5:57 am on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)



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Kackle - can you explain the "dictionary" for me? And how I might benefit from it - Im reading your posts hard but dont see where youre coming from.

Sure. But you have to act quickly. Google will fix this one just like they fixed the hyphen.

1. Google is depreciating pages/sites that are over-optimized for certain keywords or keyword combinations. It does this by looking up search terms in a dictionary of target keywords or keyword pairs that it has compiled. This dictionary is Top Secret, because if you knew what was in the dictionary, you could avoid these words in your optimization efforts.

2. If the search term or terms hit on a dictionary entry, the search results for that user's search are flagged. This means that before the results are delivered, the order of the links, or even the inclusion of links, are adjusted so as to penalize pages that have overoptimizated for those terms. Most likely the title, headlines, links and anchor text are examined. It's possible that external anchor text pointing to that page has also been pre-collected and is available for scanning, but this is much less likely. (Besides, external links are not something within your immediate control, so don't worry about it right now.)

3. You want to find out which keywords that are relevant to your site are in Google's dictionary. Compile as many relevant keywords you can think of that searchers might use to find your site. Now take these words singly and in pairs, according to how users might search. Run two searches for each combination and compare the results.

4. If the results are strikingly different for the pre-filter and the post-filter search on a particular term or combination of terms, it means that some variation of those terms has been flagged because something was found in Google's dictionary.

5. Do lots of searches and you can come up with a list of "sensitive" words that you'll want to avoid when you re-optimize your pages.

It's a nice weekend project.

Luke_SR

2:31 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm in agreement with few that instead of complaining, it's time to promote AV to your friends nnd site visitors. AV results are far more stable and better now.

davaddavad

2:36 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am only a student of google forced upon me by yahoo dumping its directory/inktomi(ithink)web results. I have never seen google fix an algorithm change of this kind in less than 30 days. And when it did it was slow and it took time. As for re-seo ing a site I think that having the title, keywords, discription, etc are logically the way to list a site or page.

The spam filter database is a separate process from the "rolling update" which caches and re-ranks your new page data, the two processes are not tied together.

I totally agree jmho however.

davaddavad

2:42 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I meant to change spam filter to something like a commercial filter, it not from adwords search term data base then the database built from the data collected from the google tool bar. jmho

oodlum

2:46 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Can we forget our jewelry for a minute? I don't think it's a good example of a bad SERP, as the results are actually pretty relevant compared to a lot of others out there.

Anyway...

We got a sale from AltaVista today! I didn't even know we were ranked #1 for our prime keyphrase until now.

Google seems to have forgotten that a large proportion of searches (40% by some accounts) are commercial in nature - people looking to buy something. It DOES happen.

We don't even appear under our company name any more - a unique two word business name that can only mean they were looking for us. eg. Bumnut Enterprises.

Instead you'll find an episode of Star Trek when Barry Bumnut guest starred.

(Note: hypothetical)

Josecito

2:57 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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oodlum altavista sux
im ranked #1 with some keys and dont send me any traffic, while google was sending me a lot :D

James_Dale

2:57 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Go Altavista Go!

Edouard_H

3:01 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Brenda_J - (msg #574) You're correct, or so it would appear, that the flag on the page or domain is static not dynamic. And in fact it must be the exact key term as similar internal pages have retained their ranking for slightly different terms.

davaddavad

3:01 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have good rankings everywhere but google now. How long will it take for the traffic to shift? Too long. bummer

kidalex

3:08 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Is majority of people here in agreement at least on the idea that current Google's results are so bad that Google is whether not done with whatever update they are doing or will have to roll back or improve it very VERY soon?

Alex

rfgdxm1

3:08 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Google seems to have forgotten that a large proportion of searches (40% by some accounts) are commercial in nature - people looking to buy something. It DOES happen.

I doubt that statistic is anywhere close to accurate. And, for commercial searches, from Google's perspective they would prefer you use the Adwords. ;)

rfgdxm1

3:09 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Is majority of people here in agreement at least on the idea that current Google's results are so bad that Google is whether not done with whatever update they are doing or will have to roll back or improve it very VERY soon?

SERPs look fine to me.

GuinnessGuy

3:13 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Benda,

>By the way, the H1 tag is also not being penalized since some of these high ranking sites use the H1 tag on every page, and thes pages all survived the Florida Massacre with #1 rankings for various popular terms.

I disagree to a point. I see very few top ranked commercial sites using either an H1 or H2 tag. And when they do, they don't contain any of the search terms.

GuinnessGuy

customdy

3:13 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Is majority of people here in agreement at least on the idea that current Google's results are so bad that Google is whether not done with whatever update they are doing or will have to roll back or improve it very VERY soon?

Yes, couldn't agree more! Not just for my search terms but in general for most every search I have done.

Just checked Alta Vista - #1 for all major keywords...

jbage007

3:17 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree.

AltaVista DOES rock!

We're STILL #1 AND #3 on that SE.

And that goofy bras site doesn't show up at all.

Screw google.

I'm taking their search engine OFF of our site!

Brenda_J

3:20 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)



good post Kackle,

You and I were both thinking along the same lines at the same time, and I totally agree with your analysis.

We are starting to get some definitive traits of this new algo, we are making some good progress after just a few days of testing.

Let's keep up the testing and post our analysis as we find it.

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