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Kackle - can you explain the "dictionary" for me? And how I might benefit from it - Im reading your posts hard but dont see where youre coming from.
Sure. But you have to act quickly. Google will fix this one just like they fixed the hyphen.
1. Google is depreciating pages/sites that are over-optimized for certain keywords or keyword combinations. It does this by looking up search terms in a dictionary of target keywords or keyword pairs that it has compiled. This dictionary is Top Secret, because if you knew what was in the dictionary, you could avoid these words in your optimization efforts.
2. If the search term or terms hit on a dictionary entry, the search results for that user's search are flagged. This means that before the results are delivered, the order of the links, or even the inclusion of links, are adjusted so as to penalize pages that have overoptimizated for those terms. Most likely the title, headlines, links and anchor text are examined. It's possible that external anchor text pointing to that page has also been pre-collected and is available for scanning, but this is much less likely. (Besides, external links are not something within your immediate control, so don't worry about it right now.)
3. You want to find out which keywords that are relevant to your site are in Google's dictionary. Compile as many relevant keywords you can think of that searchers might use to find your site. Now take these words singly and in pairs, according to how users might search. Run two searches for each combination and compare the results.
4. If the results are strikingly different for the pre-filter and the post-filter search on a particular term or combination of terms, it means that some variation of those terms has been flagged because something was found in Google's dictionary.
5. Do lots of searches and you can come up with a list of "sensitive" words that you'll want to avoid when you re-optimize your pages.
It's a nice weekend project.
Maybe the new "search inside the book" feature on Amazon might be the reason they are appearing at the top in many of the results.
amazon most likely has put some major $$$$ on the table somewhere
Maybe their is just a few more weeks to go and the major update will be completed. Just like the updates in May/June etc, results were showing PDF's, Amazon links etc.
Two weeks after the update we had a mini update which corrected the listings and all was well again.
Think you all need to chill out on the conspiracy theories.
Not a chance.the dc's are showing different results and no they are not new fresh results.Google have gone home for the weekend.
They took the engine apart to give it a good clean and now they are having trouble putting it back together.
mainstream results in adult and adult results in mainstream.I don't think its over by a long shot and if it is its not webmasters who should be worried but Google itself because these are amateurish attempts to be a search engine.
Forgot to mention that we are pointing them all to Altavista
[edited by: ronhollin at 9:49 pm (utc) on Nov. 23, 2003]
26 of them have electronically confirmed that they would, result in about 80,000 less searchers. If we pass this along to everyone we know and work with I think we can start what will be a very damaging consequence for Google.
Hmmmm........watch out Google theirs going to be another velvet revolution.
Its about time i was out of here, the topics of the posts are well out of control and I will return in a few weeks time once everything has settled.
You guys gotta take it easy :)
I find it interesting what a Google representative actually sent from the Guidelines Tuesday.
>Think about the words users would type to find your pages, and make sure that your site actually includes those words within it.
>Make sure that your TITLE and ALT tags are descriptive and accurate.
Basically I have enough money for my family until March but that’s dipping into savings. I will soon join the thousands of unemployed textile, furniture, and tobacco workers in my home state.
This update is about money, as all things are. The big boys have taken over and the little guy bites the dust as usual. Looksmart though the same way.
Not to start another conspiracy theory or nothin...
This IS THE TIME for online Christmas shopping! Not a few weeks from now. How very convenient for the Amazons, Targets, Walmarts, etc. to be on the top of the heap.
Just imagine the Business news reporting "higher than expected" online sales for these companies. What would reports like that be worth to Wallstreet, Politics, etc.
If this turns around in a couple of weeks, small internet retailers will have missed the Christmas sales.
I'm sorry, but if filters change, fine. Many sites would have lost ground. BUT, to be thrown out of the game is just ridiculous. Something must be broken somewhere.
A lot of people are pis*ed with google, but I don't think they intended this to happen. I expect a lot of damage control to come from google in the next few days.
Google has made things right in the pass, I expect it will be the same this time.
How many of the thousands of webmaster/seo people are thinking of using overture or adwords now?Actually I was thinking of starting a new Search Engine based on the model that made google in the first place.
[edited by: BradBristol at 10:03 pm (utc) on Nov. 23, 2003]
Forgot to mention that we are pointing them all to AltavistaI'm considering a popup(under) for anyone referred by Google "Since you were referred by Google you are probably not seeing all the quality information on <search query>. To get a better idea try your search on AltaVista" with a link to the search. Anyone know how to do this?
sim64,
In this thread [webmasterworld.com], Brett mentions how its our fault, perhaps you would like to run his theory by the sites in your list. I don't know how to test it, however.
If it is a simple case of 301 redirecting domain.com to www.domain.com, wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't Google have announced this prior to the update?
How come they could do it before, but can't now?
Why can all the other se's figure it out?
Thanks to anyone who has been following better than I who can do that : )
[edited by: Josefu at 10:09 pm (utc) on Nov. 23, 2003]
