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Anyone else with losses please post like to get an idea of simliarities
keyword1 keyword2 exact phrase match in either title or meta will get you killed for that phrase.
I also would be careful with that assumption. Our location is keyword1 keyword2. How can we avoid using it? Almost all outside links are to keyword1 keyword2 because there is no other LOGICAL way to do it and still give searchers what they want to know, i.e. Where are you located?
I understand exactly what you are saying. Quite a few of my sites have the exact same situation as you describe.
The only way I can describe what I think I have discovered is by an example as follows:
Kewyord 1 Sanibel
Keyword 2 Island
With the title as:
Sanibel Florida Island Paradise bla bla
With the Meta as:
Sanibel Area Island properties at afforadable rates. bla bla
On Page Text H1
Sanibel Island Florida Real Estate.
and finally
Sanibel and Island sprinkled around the page but not together.
I have seen (good page ranking) cases of this quite often in the SERPS, but yet, have also seen cases where keyword 1 and 2 are together in title and meta also. In MHO those pages are up there for either pagerank or link text, or because they haven't been updated very recently.
I am now testing this on outside fresh domains and will follow up with the results.
I did get one of my site pages back by this method although, not for the phrase I really want, but another good one. I have re-keyed for the one I really want and will follow up with the results.
keyword1 keyword2 exact phrase match in either title or meta will get you killed for that phrase.
But can't you see the lack of logic to this? If this is all the well informed webmaster has to do, we could all eventually retain our original positions!
The concept of de-optimisation in order to optimise makes no sense; philosphically or practically. It is also far too easy to do.
I could achieve this in minutes - but I don't intend to - the results are silly, so I'll stick it out until Google realises that the commercial SERPs it is serving up are poor and are doing it real harm :)
[edited by: superscript at 8:07 pm (utc) on Nov. 29, 2003]
You are absoutly right!
The only reason I am doing the experiment is so that in the event google dosen't change, and I have to re-optimise, I will know where to go.
AND ALSO
If you do re-optimise to the GOOGLE GODS more than likley youl will be lost in the other search engines.
THIS MAY MEAN
Two Websites one opted for google, one for the others.
My guess is that is exactly what google has in mind.
From Scr00gle
Lake Tahoe weddings
These 88 links are missing from the top 100; the red number just counts them and the black number following it is the position it would have occupied in the top 100:
The thread searching your domain name post Florida [webmasterworld.com] seems to indicate that all these front-page issues could be related to some kind of mess with the domain name, using two or more domains... at least that's my personal interpretation.
/claus
[edited by: claus at 4:32 am (utc) on Nov. 30, 2003]
a friend emailed me today and said that 2 sites that she own suddenly show up high in the serps. these sites are showing urls that haven't existed since 1999. she theorized that google was starting over with a 1999 database and rolling forward from there. don't know if she is right or not, but the year you mention and the one she mentioned were the same, so i thought i would let you know.
I have not found a good correlation between titles/optimization and the missing pages. I have noticed however that many of sites that have gone are sites that were not prominent prior to the last major update.
Does any search have a larger number of missing links?
From Scr00gleLake Tahoe weddings
These 88 links are missing from the top 100; the red number just counts them and the black number following it is the position it would have occupied in the top 100:
I have 92 missing from a "city name real estate" phrase. In fact, about 88-90 percent of my KW phrases have been dumped. It just seems like there is a problem when the #1 SE in terms of relevancy suddenly gets rid of 90% of the SERPS that got it to the place of #1. With that said, I do believe Google will correct this mess. You don't dominate an industry by being naive to a mistake for very long.
Claus, I do not think that is it. I only operate the one domain and it is not one of-those-keword-targeted-domains.com - it is a simple branded name and has over 200 pages indexed in Google. As mentioned in the thread you refer to only the addition of www. or the patented new advanced search feature of -abcde will make a search for mymissingsite.com show something other than :
Sorry, no information is available for the URL Missingsite.com
My niche matches it - 88 of 100 gone for widget maker, 87 of 100 for widgets for sale, 83 of 100 for widgets. Interesting thought that only 9 are missing for the term widget information, and only 5 for widget facts.
WBF
a friend emailed me today and said that 2 sites that she own suddenly show up high in the serps. these sites are showing urls that haven't existed since 1999.
I found a couple of About.com sites that haven't been around since early 1999 and fall of 2001 respectively. That may be nothing new, though--Google has been tolerating deceptive About.com redirects for years.
From my viewpoint it is not the index page which is getting targeted but rather repetitive phrases. Therefore one would assume that s/he could simply reduce the KW denisity or remove KW from title and/or H1 tag to get indexed again.
I know for a fact that my KW phrases are not producing results for any of the pages where previously many were listed.
My question is if somebody has feedback on whether or not ONLY CHANGING index pages can really help, or if it would be better to reduce the KW density on page and title tags throughout the entire site?
It's definitely on a page by page basis - some sites have one page knocked out and another remaining. Often it is the index page that remains.
Of course the results are changing daily.
eg.
- keyword 1 keyword2 - MIA
- keyword2 country - #1
go figure.
I keep coming back to the idea that it's a giant screwup.
It seems for every theory, there are exceptions that discount the theory.
From my experience, I think it may have something to do with "money words," or the most popular search terms.
I just made it back on with a very popular "money" keyword by reducing my keyword density. Still I am only at #341, down from #6, but at least back in the ballgame.
I don't think it is any one thing, but perhaps if they find a keyword, keywords, or keyword phrase in ALL of the following, or perhaps 5 out of 7 of the following, off you go.
Title
Description
High keyword density
Alt tags
<H1> or other <H> tags
Bold
Italics
Title
Description
Alt tags
<H1> or other <H> tags
Bold
Italics
All of these are legitimate design practices, not just legitimate but recommended. It would seem a bit silly for google to start penalising for these.
I own a few hundred domains aquired over the last few years.
Most of these are non developed but do reside at a (non named) parking and re-direction service. All are pointed to the fully developed sites that I own and operate.
The purpose of the pointing is that many of these domains generate "type in traffic" as they are natural search words.
Well guess what, today without spending more than 5 minuits checking I have identified at least ten of those domains in googles database indexed as the index page on one of my main sites which dissapeared around the 19th of November.
In every case, the index date for the (10) domains as noted above is Nov 19, 2003.
Also, as it can become quite expensive to hold that many domains in inventory, back some time ago, many were listed on "a number of domain brokerage sites"
It looks to me that googlebot somehow screwed up and followed the "non named" parking and re-direction service listings.
I will look further into this and see what else is there.
Perhaps a few of you who might have additional domains could check and see if the same condition affects you also.
I show up for blue widget shop (no 1), green widget shop (no 2), yellow widget shop (no 6) but I cannot show up for red widget shop.
I remembered what people said about adjacent kw's, and swapped the red with the yellow to see if it made a difference. No - I still show no 6 for yellow widget shop, even though the kw's are now adjacent, and not for red widgets, even though the kw's are now. Red widgets is a very high traffic generating kw.
Also, I do not who for any 2 kw phrases that I show for when adding 'shop' to them. Nobody does.
I dunno if it's just this way because they are still reorganising, but it does have the appearance of a commercial kw filter.
I have H tags, identical meta title/description. These are still happily showing at no. 1, so I guess that is not an effect.
Well, i mentioned a few that shouldn't really generate any results in message #370 - at least not if this "filter" had to do with optimizing or commercial phrases. Here are some:
Actually it is quite easy to find "penalized" phrases that are not optimized and not commercial, eg. nonsense phrases like those above.
Add to this that it is quite possible to find both very commercial and very optimized sites in the serps. For adwords phrases also. I still don't believe the hype. Something else is what you see.
>> It looks to me that googlebot somehow screwed up and followed the "non named" parking and re-direction service listings.
This is not Googlebot screwing up - it behaves just like it's supposed to. These domains point to your content, don't they? A lot of firms have a few for conveinence or spelling (eg. av.com / altavista.com). When doing this you should be careful about the technical setup - leaving it in the hands of a redirect service might not be a good idea.
I'm using a few of these on a "non-penalized" domain myself - if you have the proper technical setup, these should not generate different results in the serps. It must be a "real" redirect (301/302) and not an alias.
Hundreds are a lot. I'm not saying that you are a spammer, but some spammers have been using a lot of different domains with duplicate content successfully in the past. It might not always be wise to do "as the romans do" when you're not "in rome".
/claus
[edited by: claus at 1:55 pm (utc) on Nov. 30, 2003]
When I say come back I mean to page 1
Is this happening to any of you?
[edited by: agent10 at 1:57 pm (utc) on Nov. 30, 2003]
It looks to me that googlebot somehow screwed up and followed the "non named" parking and re-direction service listings.
We had two domains disappear for our main keyword where we were well represented before.
One site has 5 parked domains and has had these for more than 2 years.
The other domain has NO parked domains and it is also gone.
Another theory bites the dust but keep them coming. It's gotta be something.
>> It looks to me that googlebot somehow screwed up and followed the "non named" parking and re-direction service listings.
This is not Googlebot screwing up - it behaves just like it's supposed to. These domains point to your content, don't they? A lot of firms have a few for conveinence or spelling (eg. av.com / altavista.com). When doing this you should be careful about the technical setup - leaving it in the hands of a redirect service might not be a good idea.
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I have used this service for the past 4 years and never had a problem prior to Nov 19, 2003. At no time did any of the parked domains ever get indexed.
The(no named company) has well over 1,000,000 domains parked there. You can figure most are on re-direct.
If googlebot got (found) links to these domains from somewhere else it would have to be from very old content (3 years ago) or directly from DNS or whois records.
Hmmm DNS & Whois could it be?
I think that Google is looking at duplicate domains and 'collapsing' them. We have our company name as the primary domain, but 3 other domains that are relevant to the product function, based on the same product being used in different vertical markets. We don't try and spam with htese, just for targetting and originally for print-ad tracking. All link: searches now return the SAME results (for the main domain), as if they knew somehow that all 4 domains are really the same site, even though the other domains used to be linked elsewhere, and did show up independently before.
I don't know if this is the same issue that has seen our main index page get hammered, only to be replaced by less relevant pages, some of which ONLY link to us for their ranking? I see all the various theories on here, and for every theory there are plenty of exceptions - this is just a really bad joke.
karembeu
ANOTHER THING
I just checked google on one of the domains that got indexed.
If you search for ****xxxxx.com it has no listing.
but if you search for xxxxxxxx it shows the listing of the parked domain, labeling it as www.xxxxxxx.com/
From where I stand, if this really turns out to be broad based, from all practical points of view, googles database is trashed and they will either have to re-build or purge.
In either case, figure months not weeks to sort things out.
I am going to list the domains, and send them to google asking them to purge them from the database immediatly.
