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Update Florida - Nov 2003 Google Update Part 3

         

LaBonne

5:41 pm on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]

The panic is settling down, the whine of worry is receding to a steady hum in the back of my head, and several recovery plans are forming...

I lost my index page entirely, due to lazy keyword stuffing. My fault! Unfortunately, mine is a very small business: no listing = no food (let alone xmas).

I was planning on overhauling the website anyway, and I've given myself until 1/1/04 before I accept an opening with another business and abandon my own. The question now is: overhaul the index page and resubmit to Google immediately, overhaul the entire website and resubmit the whole thing in a few weeks, overhaul the website (starting with the index page of course) and wait for Googlebot. Time is most definitely a factor.

...are any of these plans likely to restore my index page to the directory before I have to throw in the towel in January?

There are also longer range options of starting over with a new website and closing the old.

Mahalo Nui Loa! (Thank you very much!)

skipfactor

1:03 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Missing index page back James_Dale?

James_Dale

1:05 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

Yes, index page back on -gv in position 3. Is not showing a freshtag, but I have nothing to compare this against (as the site is missing completely from all other DCs)

keeper

1:07 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Let's face it, the only thing wrong with commercial results before the update was the fact that people were making money off G for free. It was never an issue of SPAMMY SEO'd sites upsetting the users, and with just a short time before G sell out for $15 billion or whatever it is they need to show the poor bas**ds that will be investors that they are making big money.

So does that make this the IPO update?

otnot

1:08 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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OK!
I have stayed out of the melee until now thinking that G. would come back in line but now I'm begining tothink that Google is having some techincal difficulties. SJ went down last month now ZU is down and the new dc. MC is down as well. I hope it all sorts it's self out because there are only 35 shopping days left.

steveb

1:10 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Could you guys please take your discussion about e-commerce to another thread?

-in does seem to finally have been brought up to date. Just did a couple searches and it seems like its gone from the most obsolete to the most up to date serps (passing -ex for that title).

Furmanov

1:10 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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not only www-zu and www-sj but also www-mc seem to be offline now

was I the first to notice that ;)?

oh, nevermind, someone has already posted on this :(

[edited by: Furmanov at 1:12 am (utc) on Nov. 20, 2003]

jrokesmith

1:12 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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James_Dale, on the other datacenters, where the site does not appear in the top of the results for your keyword, is the site showing a fresh tag date? Is it totally gone and does not even show up ion a site search in the other datacenters?

[edited by: jrokesmith at 1:15 am (utc) on Nov. 20, 2003]

dazzlindonna

1:14 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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-mc is up for me and showing Nov 19 fresh dates - other dc's showing Nov 18 dates

rfgdxm1

1:16 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>-in does seem to finally have been brought up to date. Just did a couple searches and it seems like its gone from the most obsolete to the most up to date serps (passing -ex for that title).

Looks to me also like we are nearing the end. However, still a bit to go.

Kirby

1:16 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Im seeing inurl jump all over. One minute 1100+ pages, the next minute 2400+.

KrumbBob

1:19 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)



I am seeing something that looks like a debug on www-gv

Sites that are dummy holders for link farms are being marked with a true after the title.

Is anyone else seeing this?

James_Dale

1:19 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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yes, if I type the URL into the search box, I see the site with freshtags.

However, I also see the same if I type the URL into the search box on -gv, which for my KW search shows no freshtags.

Using a KW search on -gv returns a cached title for my site(not sure if it's an entire cached page. However, when I view the cache it shows the current version of the page, and not the old version.

So, despite the caches holding most recent versions of pages, the actual SERPs on -gv are showing 3 month old versions of pages.

musicman

1:28 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)



Well, been watching & reading for a few days now. I have a small site, for a small business, it's been doing OK for our business sector keywords at #5 or #6 for few months now. Nothing silly, just a straightforward site that 'does what it says on the tin' and has been doing well for us & our customers until now. Looking over the last few days we've been nowhere, although sometimes reappearing anywhere between 140 & 160. The hyphen '-' issue seems to be hitting us though, Our industry product is "K1 K2 K3", our domain is "K1-K2.com", it's also our business name. I don't use any hyphenated extended urls such as K1-K2.com/k1-kt-k3/K1.htm. Our product "K1 K2 K3" obviously figures in text throughout the site, where it makes sense to the visitor. Put a hyphen anywhere between those 3 keywords and we are top 5, miss it out and we're many pages down. Search "K1 K2" and we rank top 5, search "K1 K2 K3" and nothing for pages. Seems to contradict some earlier posts here re keyword pairing. For "K1 K2 K3" we're scattered between 141 & 159 around the datacentres at the moment, so I guess it's still not over.
The only consolation I can find at the moment is that we got hit by the "index page drop" factor with Dom/Esm, and reappeared later. I put it down to being a new site. Hope we re-emmerge this time...

dazzlindonna

1:31 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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musicman, do you remember approx. how long it took in dom/esm for your index pages to reappear? just need to plan for how long i can expect to be depressed. i might need to get more anti-depressants. :) seriously, though, that information would be useful. thanks.

skipfactor

1:41 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How do foreign Googles relate to the datacenters? My index pages are there in all their glory on google.de & google.fr.

jrokesmith

1:43 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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James_Dale, that's interesting - do the other datacenters show the old title or do they have new title for your site? My site is bouncing around like a ping pong ball - fresh tags, no fresh tags, fresh tags, no fresh tags - and positions change.

dazzlindonna

1:44 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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google.de has been showing my page in all its glory for several days as well. it does have fresh tags (but it showed my page even when it didn't have fresh tags). .fr does not show mine though.

musicman

1:46 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)



dazzlindonna - musicman, do you remember approx. how long it took in dom/esm for your index pages to reappear?

I didn't note the exact dates, but from what I remember it was in the "weeks not months" timeframe mentioned at the time. After everything else seemed completely settled we were nowhere, then several days (maybe over a week?) we suddenly re-appeared. I put it down to a bug/glitch in the 'system'. Sorry I can't be more specific (and believe me it's hurting me too)

steveb

2:02 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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----edit, -in datacenter is bouncing around a lot right now, so nevermind ---

otnot

2:16 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A new conspiracy! Google did an update just to get their traffic up before going public. Because they knew what would happen when all the crazy webmaster world members started to look at the DC's.

James_Dale

2:27 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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jrokesmith,

all other DCs show the new title. It is only -gv that shows the old title, whilst simultaneously caching the new title(?!) and ranking me where I would normally be.

skipfactor

2:38 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My index pages are making a comeback on -gv. :)

yvt360

2:51 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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can someone confirm that the Google web matches are identical to the Google directory matches?

dazzlindonna

2:57 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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yvt360,

by golly, you hit the nail on the head. my results are exactly like the google directory results! and since i'm not in dmoz..............................

oy!

rise2it

3:07 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Confirmed here...they are the same.

polarmate

3:09 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How does a search in the Google Directory display sites that are not in the Google directory?
And yeah...my results are the same, too. Which is why the above question - cos a lot of the sites are not in DMOZ or Google Directory.

James_Dale

3:10 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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what the f***!>?

dazzlindonna

3:11 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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a possibility? if the search phrase matches some criteria that google uses that says, hey we have a matching directory for this phrase, so lets use the search we use for that. and if the phrase doesn't match whatever criteria for a matching directory, we'll do our own mix.

could this explain why some people aren't seeing anything out of whack and some are?

polarmate

3:13 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I tried it with general info related queries too - ie keywords that I am not optimizing for but may look up info on eg cancer research - wow! they are identical. Again, sites that are not listed in the Directory are displayed. Is this new or has this always been the case?

James_Dale

3:14 am on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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**STOP PRESS**

Earlier today I noticed a heading underneath the SERPs on a regular Google search. This heading read "categories", and underneath it were listed several related Google Directory category links (I believe) from which results were being drawn.

[edited by: James_Dale at 3:17 am (utc) on Nov. 20, 2003]

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