Which is best for single keyword phrase SEO?

[hobbnet]

I have just come to an agreement with a PR 8 site which gets a link to my site on their homepage and all subpages (1000+ pages).

My Goal
Get my homepage high in the SERPS for my main keyword phrase.

The deal
Includes a small logo link AND another keyword stuffed text link right beside the logo link on every one of their pages. I can also have a short description of the link.

My Question
I am curious as to what everyone thinks about whether or not the logo link presents an added value. I know the extra link will probably give my homepage a higher Google PageRank but at the same time I am afraid the logo link will dilute the value of the keyword phrase stuffed text link.

Would the logo link dilute the value of my text link?

[hobbnet]

Is this clear enough? I'd really like some input if anyone has any.

[skibum]

I wouldn't put my site in my profile and talk about buying PageRank on the public boards. ;)

[Stefan]

At a guess, yes. At the very least, the available PR that can be passed along by links will be watered down by having yet one more link, the logo link, on the page. I don't know if having two links to your site from the same page is going to help - I get the impression Google only counts one or else you could go wild with SEO tricks - so go for anchor text.

[hobbnet]

I wouldn't put my site in my profile and talk about buying PageRank on the public boards. ;)

No where in my post do I mention purchasing anything.

And besides that, technically I am not even interested in the PR, let alone buying it...I am just curious as to which scenario will give the the optimal performace, taking all aspects of SEO into consideration (not just PR).

[ogletree]

Trust me it will not do what you think it will. There is no one magic pill anymore. SEO requires many things. If anything the 1000+ pages is worse than just having the link on the front page. If you can get it have the guy have an article about your subject and have your anchor text in the middle of that article.

[edited by: ogletree at 11:13 pm (utc) on Nov. 10, 2003]

[Stefan]

It seems these days anchor text is very important, so the keyword heavy text link is top priority... the second logo link, I don't know... maybe it will dilute available PR, (maybe not), but it won't help on the anchor text aspect. If you have any concerns, perhaps having only the text link would be best. This is mostly a guess on my part, so don't take it as gospel... I might be totally wrong.

[ciml]

> I know the extra link will probably give my homepage a higher Google PageRank but...

As Stefan points out, you should expect two links from one page to another to be counted as one.

[rfgdxm1]

From my analysis of Google, he'd do a lot better with number of links from PR5 pages, one per site, than a lot of links on this one site with a PR8 home page. The days are gone when this sort of thing from one high PR site will work.

[hobbnet]

If anything the 1000+ pages is worse than just having the link on the front page.

You sure about that OgleTree?

Other sites who have come to agreements similar to my own have thousands of backlinks logged in google from this website alone and they are in the top 10 of the SERPS for very competitive search terms.

There is no one magic pill anymore. SEO requires many things

I totally agree with this statement. I did not mean to imply my SEO efforts are solely focused on these links. It is just a part of the picture. But I would have to agree with Stefan (and I'd assume you would too) when he says anchor text is indeed very important.

[airpal]

Hobbnet, make sure you do exactly this: Tell the website publisher to make the logo link in javascript, i.e. window.open=

Then it won't have any possible negative effects in diluting your PR since Google can't follow that link. Also, please report your results on the board or via stickymail, when your backlinks/PR has been calculated. I will have one incoming link from a similarly high PR site, and would like to see how it compares to multiple links. Also, it's good your website publisher is using a logo, because your competitors below you are going to cry spam, spam, spam, when you surge to #1, and hopefully the logo won't look as blatant as a text link if your link ever does come under scrutiny. Best of luck to you!

[markus007]

hobbnet used to be one my major competitors. I can tell you right now its not going to work in our industry, we are watched extremely close by google. I acquired links from multiple PR 8 sites and they did nothing for PR. You would have to find a very low profile PR 8 site, and once you did everyone else would buy from the same site lol

[steveb]

I wouldn't worry at all about the dilution from two links. Presumably this site has other links on its page so the difference between 31 and 32 links won't matter enough to worry about.

Better to have the second link point to any other page you have... a site map, an about us page, anything. Pointing two links at the same page is silly. Also, presumably the logo can have alt text, so you get anchor text benefit.
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also, volume of links is very important, so the comment about 1000 links above is completely wrong.

[cabbie]

I think One link from every page will count towards pr but having two links can help increase your anchor text count or if you do as Steveb says have 1 of the links pointing to another page.
This is of course unless google have flagged the linking site.Then all bets are off.

>>>>The days are gone when this sort of thing from one high PR site will work

I have a site that its working quite well on.45 pr7 pages from the 1 site containing 1 link to a home page of another site gives it a pr8

[airpal]

markus, pray tell what industry it is that you're saying is closely watched by google? From the looks of it, you're talking about the software/web development/hosting/e-commerce industry which would be near impossible for even 100 people to watch over constantly. However, I have no clue so that's just speculation on my part.

In the spirit of getting opinions on the board, which is better:
1. 1 PR8 link from a site's homepage
vs
2. 1000 links from that same PR8 "site"
vs
3. 10-30 PR6/PR7 links (a very expensive strategy) from different sites

Who shall venture to comment? ;)

[rfgdxm1]

>3. 10-30 PR6/PR7 links (a very expensive strategy) from different sites

This, NO ifs, ands or buts.

[ogletree]

Any of those can get your toolbar PR up but that does not help much these days. As far as the Anchor text is concerned it will work if your competitors are doing the same. I have had some problems because a bunch of links from the same site is just not worth as much if your competitor is ranking naturally. A natural number 1 is very hard to beat. They have really good anchor text that is in context from sites that have no SEO. They are pure info sites. I can easily beat another SEO guy but it is harder to beat a real popular .gov or .org site. I am trying to win in one area where the keyword is the actual name of a government agency. The best anchor text is from an on topic site in the middle of an on topic article. Most people here trade or buy links or ask for links on a page with a bunch of links either on a renamed links page or a list of links on the bottom of a page or bunch of pages. That helps but just does not have much value in a real competitive area. I can tell you this it can help get you in the top 5. The guys that say quit trying to figure out the algo and just create good content are correct it is just a long term approach.

[Kirby]

If page rank is page specific, then why wont 1000 links from the same site be of value?

[seoArt]

Anchor Text, anchor text is so important...

IMHO .. I think the two link issue is not going to make a significant difference.

Also, I think your buddy Markus is a bit paranoid.

and there's nothing wrong with talking about how your paid advertising is going to affect your pageRank on public message boards.

Google is not "Big Brother," guys. Good luck with your ads hobb and keep comin' back.

[pleeker]

In the spirit of getting opinions on the board, which is better:
1. 1 PR8 link from a site's homepage
vs
2. 1000 links from that same PR8 "site"
vs
3. 10-30 PR6/PR7 links (a very expensive strategy) from different sites

I'm with rfgdxm ... it's No. 3 all the way.

[airpal]

And this sucks totally for me ... because I'm currently banking a lot on the number 1. strategy. Oh well, I will report how it goes sometime in the first week of December. However, I hope my 20 internal links will help with the anchor text weight. Also, how do you go about getting those 10-40 PR6/7 unique links, wouldn't trying to buy them be a sure way to go bankrupt quickly? Anybody with a network of PR6/7 sites usually has them flooded with so many other links that the final effect becomes diluted.

Oh, also, nobody's really answered the 1 PR8 link vs. 1000 links from same PR8 site question...

[Dave_Hawley]

>>>than a lot of links on this one site with a PR8 home page

Go with the 1000 links if you can. Forget PR, it should bring about 1000 extra visits per day.

No-one here knows the true PR of any page so it's all educated guesses.

Dave

[cabbie]

>>>>Oh, also, nobody's really answered the 1 PR8 link vs. 1000 links from same PR8 site question...

I may not have been clear but I did give my answer to it .My theory is that it works.

[hobbnet]

So, I am definitely going to just have anchor text and no logo graphic. Now all I can really do is cross my fingers and hope that it helps!