What Really Helps to Get a Good Position?

Lets share our experiences

[AjiNIMC]

Hi,

Lets do some refreshing work, what exactly helps in google positoning (#1 dream). I request all others to share experiences.

Tips 1 Url choosing
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kw1-kw2.com is better than kw1kw2.com

Lets share other factors
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1)what is optimum keyword density?
2)short title is better or longer?
3)which one is better "kw1 kw2" or just "kw1" as anchor text for kw1?
4)having h1, h2,h3, h4 for kw1 will help or just h1 and h2 is more effective?
5)what is the penalty for duplicate contents?
6)what is the weigtage given to links?

many more......... ask questions and give answers. lets learn as much as possible from others experience.share whatever you seems will help others. give an increment to tips number.

Hope to see a very useful thread here. All geeks lets help each other.

Thanks
Aji

[AthlonInside]

Google is trying to counter this with the new localrank system.

[trillianjedi]

Google LocalRank [webmasterworld.com]

A blinding post by Claus that one - justifies several reads!

TJ

[EarWig]

Trillianjedi

Excellent post (message 80) showing your findings over the last 8 months.

Have been experiencing very similar - eagerly awaiting next update!
:-)

Regards
EW

[Skier]

A blinding post by Claus that one - justifies several reads!

How could I have missed that thread?
Belated thanks to Claus.
trillianjedi your words, "blinding post" were effective. Are you a pro copywriter? Appreciate the pointer, thanks.

[AjiNIMC]

Hi,

I have asked this question many times but no one has come up with an answer. The question is, my page has a fresh tag 13 nov 2003, does that mean that all my title, keyword density and all other stuff been counted.

I will elaborate
on 8 nov 2003 my position with respect to "a b" was 58.On this date "a b" was not there in title, no h1 or h2, only three times occured in the whole page, no internal links with the " a b" as anchor text.

on 9 non 2003, I changed the page , included "a b" in title, in h1 and h2, occurence increase to 14(9%), also internal links created with anchor text "a b" (I have around 70 pages, all have this link).

but still on 15 nov the position is 58

Does this mean,
1) title, h1 and other can hardly make a change in the position?
2) Only external link has value? Internal link among pages have very little significance, cannt contribute big time.

What might be the reason that my position is not increasing?

Aji

[AjiNIMC]

I donot think my questions were that tough, but can be very common.

So please answer that I can renew my patience.

Thanks
Aji

[steveb]

Google doesn't recalculate its entire index everytime one person changes their page title or anything else. A fresh tag means your page was crawled, not that Google updated its database calculations. Next time they do recalculate they should have this new data for your site, but it could take as much as two months for it to show.

[AjiNIMC]

Thanks steveb,

Even I use to think the same, but this question arises of a single day.

on 3 nov 2003, my position was 283 out of 4,620,000. The next day 4 nov 2003, i changed the keyword density, h1 tags, thats all i have changed. on 6th nov my position was 88. Then I thought, google recalculate its entire index within two days.

But that might be some coincident, thanks for clearing my doubt , now i can wait for a month.

If some site add a link to my site today, then how much(approx) time will it take to get it counted?

The links which I have added on sep are counted but the one done in oct is not. I think it also takes a month. Does it take more than two months?

Thanks once again
Aji

[AjiNIMC]

Also one more doubt,

At present does yahoo listing and dmoz listing play a major role?

Aji

[Dave_Hawley]

At present does yahoo listing and dmoz listing play a major role?

I'm pretty sure they hold no more importance than any other page with similar PR. In fact, as you can only use your company name for anchor text and you are often lumped with many other links, they probably have less importance.

Dave

[AjiNIMC]

I'm pretty sure they hold no more importance than any other page with similar PR. In fact, as you can only use your company name for anchor text and you are often lumped with many other links, they probably have less importance.

But I heard that listing in yahoo and dmoz helps in getting good postion in SERP. Is this funda outdated?

Aji

[trillianjedi]

Is this funda outdated?

No. It was never true.

They're just links.

TJ

[rfgdxm1]

>No. It was never true.

>They're just links.

Only somewhat true. An ODP link will not only count from dmoz.org, but also the Google directory, and a couple other mirrors Google seems to spider. Of course this requires waiting until the mirrors update. Google waited months before the last RDF update. Thus, all things being equal you'll get a bit more bounce from an ODP link. Problem with an ODP listing is the guidelines prohibit keyword stuffed anchor text. Whereas if you ask a favor from some teenager for a link from their home page you may be able to get the exact anchor text you want. At the moment, anchor text is a major part of the Google algo.

[wanna_learn]

Excuse me!
But till now this update clearly indecates that you have to be much more clever in optimizing Anchor Text, a too much stress on same KW would invite penalty.

Loads of people complaining that their site vanished for the major KW!

[mat]

At the moment, anchor text is a major part of the Google algo.

Don't go betting the farm on that one just now. Nowhere near a consensus, but plenty of people, myself included, are seeing the keyword-in-anchor dial turned way, way back in the Florida update.

[steveb]

"a too much stress on same KW would invite penalty."

This is certainly not true. The top rated pages generally all still have the same laserbeam targetted anchor text as before.

[rfgdxm1]

>Text, a too much stress on same KW would invite penalty.

Problem with that idea is such in the algo would have collateral damage where the keyword is part of the company name. Because Burger King will naturally get tons of links with the anchor text of "Burger King", they'd be whacked on a search for "Burger."

[AjiNIMC]

my site has vanished from the search, earlier it was 55 now it is nowhere.

NO idea what went wrong. Can someone help. Also my own personal site is showing the same trend, today for targeted kw it is number 1, the next day nowhere, the other day it comes back.

Is this happening with you also?

Aji

[caveman]

I have to say, too much emphasis on repeating keywords in the URL string, if not in the domain name, seem to be causing problems for sites. Read GG's comment on page 5 of the Florida update thread. I'm also still wondering if G used to place more importance on internal backlinks and now places little or none. That sure would explain a lot of those index pages falling into never-never-land.gone...

[AjiNIMC]

Are these theories still valid after florida update, I am moved from #55 to #113 and #88 to #642.

Will have to start again.

Though very strange

I am
#51 in allintext
#49 for allintitle
#52 for allinanchor but still #642.

Will wait and see what is happening.

Aji

[Goanna1]

"too much stress on same KW would invite penalty."

I also think that this is unlikely. It was proposed in previous algo changes. I have seen no conclusive evidence to date. But of course I could be wrong

[AjiNIMC]

Now after this florida update who is the king and queen of this kingdom.

Are links and anchor text still ruling the kingdom?

Aji