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Whether a 100 good sites are enough to achive a pr of 6. When i started my site, while we had jsut 11 (link)partners with normal pr we got a pr of 2(starting of sep).Now we have more than 25 partners with 2,3,4 prs. I am planning to get around 100 partners by this month end(incoming). Is this sufficient for a pr of 6. I have around 75 outgoing links, I am expecting them to add me and given them a week time.
With a pr of 6, it will be easy to get a top ranking in google.
Looking forward for a complete solution.
Aji
You new kids are dreamers! (lol)
High PR is not necessary for high rankings. I just launched a new site less than 30 days ago. Despite having a PR 0 (white bar), it is now ranked #2 for a 10,000,000+ 2-keyword search on Google.
TJ is right, you should focus on adding lots of backlinks. To give you an analogy, think of baseball. If you are constantly swinging for the fences (looking for PR7+ pages), you will strike out a lot (and get nowhere). If you instead focus on hitting the ball (getting links), your average (SERP) will improve with lots of singles and doubles. The PR7 links will come in due time if you put in the effort.
Ted
If you are targeting one single search term....then you probably need to have another think about this strategy. I have never yet seen a site that would only be attractive to a single search term....most have several hundred, thousands, or millions (like WW).
The biggest single mistake in SEO is targeting a limited number of search terms. The "content is king" philosophy comes out of the fact that content automatically provides a large number of search terms.
Look at this site, see any easily noticeable SEO going on? Any targeting of specific search terms?.....my guess is 6 to 8 million visitor sessions per month from a site that is really just made up of useful content ;)
Set up x links pages in x categories and have a link to it from your homepage.
Set up a "Link to us" page and place a link to it on your homepage. On the "link to us" page let them know you will link back as soon as they have your link on their site. Be sure to use keyterms in your anchor text.
Type up a template letter very politely requesting a link exchange and include this URL: [google.com...]
Go to as many sites as you can (never ending job) and request a link exchange using your template. Start with the highly relavent ones and work down to not so relavent ones.
Don't even worry about what PR have they have, things change all the time. link exchanging only with high PR sites is VERY short-sighted. Even if they don't have a links page request and exchange anyway as they will often set-one up.
**The advise (IMO) of hunting for a PR6+ is very bad and puts all youe eggs in one basket.** Go for quantity, not only well you get the PR6 you want, but you will also get lot's of targetted traffic from these sites and you will have a valuable link resource on your site.
Dave
Go to as many sites as you can (never ending job) and request a link exchange using your template. Start with the highly relavent ones and work down to not so relavent ones.
IMHO, boilerplate requests for link exachanges are nothing but spam--and they're usually pretty obvious spam, at that. Does anybody still fall for them? (I generally delete such reqests without a reply, and without even looking at the site. Aside from the fact that the site is almost certain to be worthless, exchanging links with a "link spammer" seems like a good way to get into trouble with Google for being part of a link farm.)
As to templates, I'm sure you copy and paste a good part of your link request, don't you Europevistors?
I don't send out link requests. Mind you, I'm not saying people shouldn't request links if it's appropriate to do so. But I do think that mass-produced boilerplate link requests are a waste of everyone's time. (And believe me, I get a lot of them--usually from owners of affiliate and e-commerce sites who haven't even bothered to read my submission guidelines.)
I don't send out link requests. Mind you, I'm not saying people shouldn't request links if it's appropriate to do so. But I do think that mass-produced boilerplate link requests are a waste of everyone's time.
This is intresting europeforvisitors, most of the SEO experts advices of more links, "go for more links, do link exchange campigns e.t.c", if you donot do that how do you get to the top ranking? Is there any magic key or short cut.
I have one site that is PR6 with only 51 backlinks, and of the 51, most are internal links.
There are only 3 links over PR5 pointing to it. One is from a consumer watch site PR5, the other two are from DMOZ/Google directory (PR6 and PR7). And that category has less than 30 outbound links. That's good enough to get me PR6.
born2drv you talked about 3 five pr site, rest 48 must be 4 pr sites(as only pr 4 and above pages are shown in google under backlink)
Thanks looking forward for more knowledge.
Aji
The trick to getting links without participating in link exchanges, it to be worth linking to. This translates to having good, unique, authoritative content.
EFV has a site that makes money from affiliate links, but if you go to his site, it doesn't feel like a big sales pitch. It seems more like a big huge pile of useful content that has some ads. There are hundreds (thousands?) of articles.
The New York Times makes money and has ads, but they get their PR because they are an information resource.
Anyone that deletes link requests, template or not, could well be biting off their nose to spite their own face. Takes 30 secs to check if a site is worth linking to or not.
Dave
How many incoming links are required to get a pr of 6
I am reminded of an advert I saw as a child on Saturday mornings...
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?
One or one thousand (or one hundred thousand). It depends on too many different factors, primarily how many links are the individual page.
This is intresting europeforvisitors, most of the SEO experts advices of more links, "go for more links, do link exchange campigns e.t.c", if you donot do that how do you get to the top ranking? Is there any magic key or short cut.
As BigDave indicated, I rely on content to attract links. This "If you build it, they'll come" strategy obviously works better for editorial sites than for e-commerce or affiliate sites, but it conceivably could work for the latter. (For example, I'm not interested in plowing through commercial link requests, but I sometimes link to commercial sites if they offer unique content, products, or services, or if I think my readers should know about them....But when I do link to them, it's nearly always because I found them on my own.)
I probably should work harder to get inbound links, but I hate asking people for favors, and I'm lazier about marketing than I am about creating content pages. :-) Also, I've found that the most valuable links tend to be from sources that don't welcome submissions: e.g., magazines, newspapers, academic institutions, reference sites, travel guides, and even the occasional government site. Such links often have good PageRank, and--except for links from magazine and newspaper articles--they're likely to stay around indefinitely.
If I were sending out link or link-exchange requests myself, I'd contact only sites that seemed likely to be interested. And I'd write a personal e-mail from scratch instead of using boilerplate text. If possible, I'd also suggest where the link might fit. For example, if I had an article on making Christmas decorations with fuzzy widgets, I might write to the editor of FuzzyFun.com and say something like "I've got an article on yadda yadda yadda that you might want to include in the links on your 'Fuzzy Holiday Crafts' page." A URL submission is more likely to get a favorable response if a link to your site adds value to the other site's content. Instead of thinking "What can they give me?", think "What can I give them?"
And I'd write a personal e-mail from scratch instead of using boilerplate text.
But how would they ever know? Even with a template you simply slip in some personal details and it looks as personal as any other email.
Most of you seem to forget about another VERY important spin-off from links (possible more important than PR), that is targetted visitors to your site. PR is all well and good but who know what tomorrow holds?
Putting blickers on in any situation is often a recipe for disaster and not exchanging linking to sites that have low PR is short-sighted.
My 'in a nutshell' my advise is, exchange links with as many *similar* sites as possible.
Dave
My limited experience indicates that well structured content with well defined links and keywords anchored within the pages will deliver great search results.
None of my pages have a PR above 4 and yet I occupy 2 or 3 positions in the first 20 results for my keywords. I have a policy of NOT linking outside my own client network - plenty of folk link in to us - but we never link out.
If I am on the first page of a search result "is good" - if I make another 2 on page two "is splendid". So what is all the PR about? Why loose sleep over a little graphic bar?
Surely the issue has to be content and relevance to the topic?
I read somewhere in the forum that if you concentrate on solid content and build an easy to navigate site Google would take care of the rest. Sounded pretty good to me! I also read that there are three magic words - content, content - content.
Maybe Google built the little graphic bar as a joke to give us all something to wonder about in the forums?
/Wayne
Not necessarily, but the easiest way is to have lots of pages with keyword phrases that are less competitive that need less PR and target those first, moving up the ladder to the more competitive over time.
Those less sought after phrases and the ones that are 3 and 4-words are sometimes the most targeted and convert well, and they're necessary anyway, for balance. When the knobs are turned with algo shifts those low-power keywords can keep a site going strong even if the more important ones drop down a bit.
Start small and get them all, as many as you can, and work your way up to where more PR is needed.
Get links as other said on PR6 and 7 sites and a handful of PR5 links. Make sure the links page isnt so buried that PR is almost non-existant on the links page.
At the end of the day PR is only one element to a good page ranking which delivers good results.
My limited experience indicates that well structured content with well defined links and keywords anchored within the pages will deliver great search results.None of my pages have a PR above 4 and yet I occupy 2 or 3 positions in the first 20 results for my keywords.
My inside pages (mostly articles and links pages) seldom have a PR higher than 3 or 4, yet many are in the first page of Google results for highly competitive keyphrases. And quite a few rank #1. Just the other day, I was searching for tourist information about a hugely popular resort city, and I was surprised to find one of my own pages come #1 in Google. I then tried a different keyphrase, and the page was in the #3 position. Yet the Google toolbar shows that page is only PR3.
IMHO, PageRank is a lot less important than it once was, and it may not be long until the quest for PageRank seems as old-fashioned as stuffing keywords into meta statements and alt text.
We find that links on PR 2 thru 3 sites are absolutely useless! Even if you have hundreds..
I dissagree. We have many links from PR 0 - 3 and they bring targeted traffic just as any other site does. If you have hundreds of these and each one gets you one visitor per day that is few hundred more targetted visitors. Also, while they might be PR 0 - 3 today that can change overnight and to ignore these sites is being VERY short-sighted. Even a PR 10 site starts out with PR 0!
Don't get PR snobbery and stick your head in the sand :o)
Dave
We find that links on PR 2 thru 3 sites are absolutely useless! Even if you have hundreds..
Are you talking about low PR links pages, or are you talking about content pages? A PR3 page with only a few links off of it can be incredibly useful.
If you don't care about having that PR3 pinting at your home page, how about having it point to some of your deeper content. It could make a huge difference to one of your PR0-PR4 pages.
And as for low PR links not being worth anything, how about a Yahoo profile that is PR5 just from the links on message archive pages that are mostly PR0-2 and have hundreds of links off of them? Thousands of low PR links DO add up.
IMHO, PageRank is a lot less important than it once was, and it may not be long until the quest for PageRank seems as old-fashioned as stuffing keywords into meta statements and alt text.
I said much the same thing several months ago. I believe Google may be moving towards content analysis so that links on relevant pages count more highly. Using some rather twisted logic, this would not be that difficult to achieve. Indeed, I think other search engines may be doing the same. This would still mean that getting back-links is the right way to go, but the best back-links (for certain keywords) would not necessarily be on the highest PR sites.
Kaled.
His question was about Page Rank and from my experience I gave my input that PR2 or PR3 sites dont help most of the time because by the time you get to their links/resources pages the page rank is almost non-existant.
We can all live in a fantasy world that other sites bring us lots of traffic and I am sure some sites DO bring you great traffic! But we are talking about the overall picture which is probably less than 2%.
We find that links on PR 2 thru 3 sites are absolutely useless! Even if you have hundreds..
Very important in today's google SERPS to have lots and lots of anchor text inbounds, irrespective of PR (as long as they're indexed they're good).
TJ
If PR is phased out by Google, what advantage will Google have over other search engines?
Well you can have PR six from only 5 incoming links to your site. Only thing you have to do is to get that from PR 9 sites. 5 PR 9 site will help u get PR 6 .
You talking about site with PR 9 linking to us, seems like a bridge to cross the sea. If you can show me the bridge I will try to cross the sea. After reading all this we have managed to get one site with PR 7. They have linked to us from there homepage. Now I can expect some good PR next time.
We have some PR 5 and PR 4 sites linked to us. Hoping a better ranking and position this time.
Thanks once again for everything
Aji
Keep in mind that PR is page specific. Getting links from PR9 sites are not necessarily of great benefit if the page pointing to you from that site has low PR. For example, a link from an obscure page buried deeply within Yahoo will help very little.
Ted
I have a PR5 home page that beats my competitor's PR6 home page on their much trumpeted "key phrase" (their SEO's advert is a little out of date when it says they're number one!) - they're two and I'm one.
Our keyphrase is a bit like "waterproof widgets" - two words that might each be a single-word search...
When the two keywords in the keyphase are searched separately, I'm 20% higher than they are, on both keywords. So on the composite phrase, I reckon I am quite a way ahead of them too, though we are second and first.
So, AjiNIMC, if you think PR 6 will get you a top ranking, look over your shoulder - there are PR 5 people like me who attack more of the 100 google factors than just PR, and can snuck ahead of you <grin>
DerekH
Not sure where the 2% figure came from, but if you have hundreds of low PR links and these account for only 2%of 'serious traffic' (5000+) that is 100 targetted visitors a day and all your eggs are NOT in one basket. It's bad business (IMO) to simply dismiss 100 visitors, or 2% of anything.
Dave
Of course better to have 6 than 4 :)
