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Not passing page rank

How do i stop a page getting pagerank?

         

Svengalie

2:09 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I would like to stop my links page getting page rank. Currently I put this page in the "disallow" cat in my robots.txt file yet the page has still received page rank (I assume because google can still see links linking TO this page even though it can't see the page itself.)

Any ideas?

Macro

2:14 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Surely blocking the links page from getting PR is a disservice to those you are exchanging links with? Or is there something I'm missing?

rfgdxm1

2:33 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think Macro you figured out his strategy. :(

James_Dale

2:41 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Svengalie,

It's not worth the bother. The ranking benefits you would receive from using such a strategy would be minuscule (really). It's also unfair to your link partners.

Maybe figure out how PR works before you consider playing with it. This strategy is one of the most over-used, pointless strategies going.

mcavic

3:07 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Putting it in the robots.txt should be enough. A page that's not indexed has no page rank, and doesn't pass on any page rank. Right?

WebFusion

3:08 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So....you're exchanging links with sites, yet not allwing those links to be spidered on your own site?

Seems a bit dishonest, doesn't it?

rfgdxm1

3:19 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Putting it in the robots.txt should be enough. A page that's not indexed has no page rank, and doesn't pass on any page rank. Right?

Technically, if a page is in robots.txt that means "don't spider this." Google does index pages without spidering by finding links to them. Including on other sites. Robots.txt isn't violated unless a page is spidered.

Tropical Island

3:28 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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While doing it is a diservice to your link partners it can be done by just using a "robots - noindex" meta tag.

Works fine with Google on our sites.

glengara

3:43 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That might be a bit too visible, TI ;-)

plasma

4:25 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you don't want to pass PR: dont link.
If you don't want to link, maybe the internet is the wrong media.

dillonstars

4:27 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Maybe figure out how PR works before you consider playing with it. This strategy is one of the most over-used, pointless strategies going.

Absolutely. PageRank is based on a page not a site, so having google NOT index the links page will in no way benefit the rest of your site.

In other words, the PR on your index page will not magically drain away through your links page. It just doesnt work like that.

doc_z

6:18 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's funny. By trying to prevent that PR is transferred to other sites, he has decreased his own PR (not only the PR of other sites).

For his own site this strategy is worser than doing nothing (i.e. having no robots.txt file) ...

*lol*

Eltiti

10:16 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I would like to stop my links page getting page rank

I think the correct answer to the original question is: do *not* link to your links page from any other page of your site --and send a "cease & desist" to other sites that link to it... ;-)

mcavill

10:23 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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go for the window.location thing - it's a great strategy to get listed somewhere < 100 ;)

woop01

10:39 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Has anybody else noticed the amount of people who come here asking for ways to do dishonest things?

Eltiti

11:24 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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woop01:

Yes, but fortunately (IMHO) the "regulars" tend to frown upon this behavior.

Any thoughts on correlation between WebmasterWorld member level and (perceived) ethics? ;-)

Allergic

11:31 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Discusting tread!

gibbon

11:31 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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i propose a test for all new users
[queendom.com ]

as for us current users, we are all whiter than white, right ;)

HughMungus

6:17 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Why is everyone assuming he wants to do "dishonest things"?

I have a web page where I have a bunch of links to stuff I find fun and interesting but I also have links to a few friends' websites. I want the PR to go to the friends' websites and not the fun/interesting things. So I use redirects on the fun/interesting links and direct links on the friends' links. Of course, I'm a newb and only assuming this works.

Did somoene say that he's hurting his own PR by NOT letting his PR transfer? I thought PR was outbound only.

markus007

6:20 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Didn't googleguy state a couple of months back that PR hogs get penalties?

percentages

7:01 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This type of PRotection is leading to the PRostitution of the linking PRocess. The only PR these guys will be getting in the future is bad PR.

Little wonder Google has decreased the importance of PR, it must know what is going down on the sleazy side of town.

Macro

8:53 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Why is everyone assuming he wants to do "dishonest things"?

Hmm, I didn't. I was looking to establish the facts, but he hasn't replied.

So far we do know that he is not looking to hide links on his home page or products page. He specifically mentioned "links page".

Svengalie seems new to the forums. Svengalie, come back and tell us all that none of the sites on the links page actually link back to you and that you've created this page purely to put what you believe are one way outbound links. Or come back and tell us that you may rethink this policy :-)

And we'll all say "Welcome to the forum"

Macro

8:54 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Actually, I was interested in cloaking outward links in some circumstances. And I still think it may be worth considering on odd occasions eg: when you've got an outbound link on the page that search engines may consider completely irrelevant and off topic.

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Svengalie

9:53 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It seems I have been misunderstood.

I am crosslinking my sites, google will (I feel) like some other search engines penalize me for doing this. I have a differnt website for all our differnt product ranges.

Each product range has a totally seperate side to the business, each with a differnt phone number and each with differnt staff.

That said Lycos have still dropped me, along with Inktomi.

So not only do I not want the search engines to find the links, I also don't want google to think the reason I'm doing this is to pass pagerank.

However I would still like my users to see my other websites and product ranges.

I hope this makes sense.

mcavill

10:04 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi Svengalie - i guess i misunderstood the purpose of your post too - anyway I think something like:

<a href="#" onclick="window.location='http://www.othersite.com';return false;" onMouseOver="window.status='http://www.othersite.com';return true;" onmouseout="window.status='';return true;" Target="_blank">Other Site</a>

isn't read as a link, although I'm happy to corrected :)

...and a bit late now but - Welcome to the Forum!

kaled

10:14 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Place the following in the <HEAD> of your links page
<META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex">

To stop search engines following individual links, the most reliable way is probably to use the javascript document.write method to create simple HTML links dynamically. If you are worried about whole urls being detected in the source code, use string manipulations to break up them up.

So you could create a function WriteLink(url,text); and call it thus :-

WriteLink("http://www.examp" + "le.com","Example.Com - Fab site");

Kaled.

PS
Before calling the document.write method, you should call the document.open method, however, most browsers do not require it.

Macro

10:19 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Svengalie, there you go... and a belated welcome :-)

Hagstrom

11:07 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi Svengalie and welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com]

There are perfect examples [webmasterworld.com] of why you would sometimes like Google not to follow certain links.

Personally I like to alter Kaled's script and place the code inline like this:


<script type="text/JavaScript"> var n1='www.examp'; var n2='le.com';
document.write('<a href=\"http://' + n1 + n2 + '\">');</script>
www.example.com
<script type="text/JavaScript"> document.write('<\/a>');</script>

That way, people who have disabled JavaScript on their browsers will still be able to see the address even though they can't click it.

Svengalie

11:47 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Many thanks chaps. Sorry if i upset anyone.

dirkz

12:49 pm on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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In dubio pro reo :)

It was fun to read, everyone (except for HughMungus) assuming bad intention :)

Btw, IMO it's really annoying to have to hide honest links from Google just because you also own the linked to page :(

Google's statement: "Build your page for your visitors and it will rank high".

I understand that there are webmasters who achieve their ranking from solely crosslinking their sites. But do I really have to hide links because of that?

The question really is whether such links gets you penalized or are just ignored. I would favor the latter.

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