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Datacentres Almost All Different

Results all over the shop.

         

Dayo_UK

9:49 pm on Oct 3, 2003 (gmt 0)



Ok, this morning I saw a big change for one of my favorite keyword earners.

Keyword was a miss-spelling and I have been number 1 for a good few months - did not think it would last but good while it did. (The Anchor Text Knob seems to have been turned a bit higher - hard to get links with miss-spellings (unless you are or know anyone at domz;)))

Right then so time to give up on this keyword?

However looking at the Datacentres I dont where they are going - results accross the datacentres for the keyword is as follows:-

www-ex = 32
www-sj = 32
www-va = 18
www-dc = 34
www-ab = 60
www-in = 23
www-zu = 34
www-cw = 9
www-fi = 8
www-gv = 18

I have never seen the datacentres so out of line - ho hum, I'll wait this one out and see if any settles - anyone else experiencing this?

Dayo_UK

1:16 pm on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)



Only just approved. <Therefore Bump & Update>

I guess this is what is also being experienced here:-

[webmasterworld.com...]

Oh by the way - the results for the keyword are different now from my original post - but still the same level of difference between the datacenters.

claus

1:55 pm on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Right this moment a search for "webmaster" returns this - that's some variation. The www figure has been changing all day (all night US time):

www: 146 million results
www1: 146 million
www2: 198 million
www3: 198 million

-ex: 210 million
-sj: 193 million
-va: 190 million
-dc: 198 million
-ab: 245 million
-in: 415 million
-zu: 188 million
-cw: 210 million
-fi: 146 million
-gv: 86 million

Dance, anyone? Or is it still (too) early saturday morning in the US ;)

/claus


Added: Seeing this thread, is this just happening in Europe? Don't really know how it could be limited, but it will be interesting to hear when folks wake up: [webmasterworld.com...]

[edited by: claus at 2:28 pm (utc) on Oct. 4, 2003]

Dayo_UK

2:08 pm on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)



I thought we have been dancing/shuffling since Friday Morning (UK Time) and most people knew there were some big serp changes.

Dont know where we are dancing to though with the differences between the DCs

mrguy

3:23 pm on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It appears that they have combined the singular and plural forms of the searched words.

Widget verses widgets turms up almost the same results for the top sites where as before they were totally different.

It had been talked about them doing that for a while. Looks like they finally did.

takagi

4:01 pm on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Widget verses widgets turms up almost the same results for the top sites where as before they were totally different.

Not sure if there is a relation, but in the last few days I get the following message when searching for links (try here [google.com]):

By default, Google searches for variations of your search terms. To search only for an exact term, place a '+' sign before it.

See also the thread Another new google message? [webmasterworld.com]

mrguy

4:22 pm on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How could there not be a relation.

In my case, I had targeted my keyword as a plural (keywords) and was number one. I did not go after the singlular version(keyword) and in fact did not show up for it on the first two pages.

Low and behold, now when searching for either, there I am in the top 3 for both even though I have no anchor text links with the singular version in it.

The only obvious conclusion I can draw from that is they now combine the two.

Doing so would greatly affect the SERPS depending on where you stand for any particular keyword.

shrirch

4:27 pm on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Conspiracy Theory: The combination os singular and plural may be linked in with the broad matching algorithms they have planned for adwords clients.

bwelford

4:48 pm on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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also note what I spotted on Thursday
[webmasterworld.com ]

Powdork

4:58 pm on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The singular/plural thing is HUGE news. i imagine someone has already started a thread that is on hold.

markus007

8:02 pm on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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data center, position , results

-ex #4 11,200,000
-sj #4 11,200,000 #7 14,600,000 (got a second index when refreshing)
-va #9 11,100,000
-dc #7 14,600,000
-ab #7 15,400,000
-in #7 14,900,000
-zu #7 14,600,000
-cw #7 7,950,000
-fi #7 7,980,000
-gv #7 3,310,000
-kr #7 9,790,000

steveb

10:45 pm on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Everything almost exactly the same here, with -ex being a bit out of step.

DroffatsX3

12:29 am on Oct 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Everything almost exactly the same here, with -ex being a bit out of step.

I'll second that.

dirkz

7:27 am on Oct 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My sites haven't been crawled for more than 24 hours (normally, they are spidered at least once a day).

Anyone experiencing the same?

AthlonInside

1:10 pm on Oct 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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CW is specially out-of-the-town! While other datacenters are doing a variation of ballade, CW is on its own HIP HOP.

greenfrog

4:18 pm on Oct 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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these new datacenter backlinks are very scary, I have lost a huge! number of backlinks....

Also, and more importantly backlinks all backlinks between domains that I own have dropped. Is google checking domain registrants when checking backlinks?

If this is so, time to transfer domains to mother, sister, uncle, broter, dog, neighbor, etc, etc....

ahhhhhh! I hope that these don't flow to the live servers.

bether2

4:35 pm on Oct 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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greenfrog,

I hope that these don't flow to the live servers

I believe that the datacenters are "live servers." As I understand it, google.com acts like a virtual server. Any query made there is routed to one of the datacenters.

beth

claus

4:45 pm on Oct 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Are they actually adding new spices this time? Nice. A "real" update then? Guess the distribution issues are solved now, and it's time to get back to work. That soup could do with some new flavouring anyway, it was getting too d*** easy imho. Oh, did i say that?

/claus

steveb

10:54 pm on Oct 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Everything still the same here. Are people actually caring about how many total results there are? Of all the things we can possibly look at, that sure is close to the absolute last one I'd even think to *consider* looking at.

twilight47

11:14 pm on Oct 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have the same problems as most. Loss of backlinks and different amounts of pages indexed depending on data center. Odd thing is SERP rankings appear the same on all data centers for key words. :o

dirkz

7:07 am on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Can anyone confirm that backlinks from domains with the same whois info have been removed?

Dave_Hawley

7:13 am on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)



Of all the things we can possibly look at, that sure is close to the absolute last one I'd even think to *consider* looking at

So why bother posting Mr Misery Guts and how do you know they are the same if you never even consider looking at them? :o)

Me thinks you are telling porkies.

Dave

Tropical Island

10:02 am on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Can anyone confirm that backlinks from domains with the same whois info have been removed?<

Not from where I sit. Our main competitor still has all his sites interlinked and showing in his backlinks.

I sometimes think we give too much credit to the ability of Google to check all this info and the billions of pages and millions of sites and then crosscheck it all. Sounds a little illogical to me. It sures keeps the webmasters here nervous though.

gibbon

11:46 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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...and why shouldnt we interlink in moderation anyway?

so what if the whois is the same, if the link is warranted and improves the experience of the user, then there should be no reason to be afraid

rfgdxm1

12:15 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>so what if the whois is the same, if the link is warranted and improves the experience of the user, then there should be no reason to be afraid

But webmasters cower in absolute fear and dread of the almighty Google at all times. The problem is that the Google gods have not made clear the limits of interlinking. I have a couple amateur sites very lightly interlinked in a way that makes sense for the user, and wasn't done with search engines in mind. However, I always have a free floating anxiety that this will displease the Google gods, and they will crush me without mercy. :(

plasma

12:16 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't agree to the plural news.

Searching widgetserver/widgetservers gives totally different results.

gibbon

12:21 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>However, I always have a free floating anxiety that this will displease the Google gods, and they will crush me without mercy.

Anxiety tell me about it ... i think webmasters must be the most anxious bunch in the world. I wonder what G is doing for our average life expectancy? Possible class action in a few years ;)

Maybe life's too short to worry

claus

1:05 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Personally i'm not sure exactly what is happening with the backlinks, if anything. It could be that those links are just being hidden, or it could be that they don't count anymore, or even something completely different.

>> we give too much credit to the ability of Google to check all this info

I hold the opposite view - i don't think we give Google enough credit these days (as their focus obviously has been away from the SERPS for a while).

Finding information about "frozen green widgets" among 3 bio. pages sounds a lot harder to me than checking which domains are owned by John Doe. Actually i think that if Google were to do this, obtaining an operational whois-database would be the hardest part. So, unless it (a) has been planned for some time, and (b) is only a partial solution (ie. not all tld's) it seems unlikely, but that's not because of Google.

As to the "why" issue; if you're the only one "voting" for your own page, should you then be able to cast two votes? 1,000 votes? Doesn't really make sense to me, although it definitely makes SEO easier.

/claus

Powdork

7:35 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Searching widgetserver/widgetservers gives totally different results.
I have yet to find a one word search that this applies to. Try a regional type search for widgetserver(s) or I can sticky you a number of searches.
Even if it doesn't change the results all that much it will change a lot of textbooks, and it will make overture's tool much more popular. That would have to hurt wordtracker.

dirkz

9:45 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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However, I always have a free floating anxiety that this will displease the Google gods, and they will crush me without mercy. :(

I'm too getting kind of paranoid. Problem is that chances are rising steadily to get crushed for things you would have done without thinking in pre-google days just for traffic (e.g., interlinking sites).

I think it helps to diversify a LOT.

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