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Perplexed

10:20 am on Aug 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just thinking aloud again.

How about scrapping backlinks for PR and measuring it by how many people bookmark your page. I'm sure google could come up with a way of doing this......

Shoot me down. just a thought

rfgdxm1

1:38 pm on Aug 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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And how is Google supposed to know if people bookmark a page? Another flaw is that for a site that answers just a single question well, there may be no need to bookmark it, because there is nothing more there to see.

Netizen

2:17 pm on Aug 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Using the link structure of the web itself to calculate PageRank is the simplest way of doing this. They have to crawl the web in the first place to find sites, so why not use the structure they find to make a calculation of how important that page is within that structure. Any other method involves some interaction of the person browsing - tracking their movements around the web etc.

Don't forget - PageRank is only one of many ingredients in the recipe for producing SERPs.

AthlonInside

2:51 pm on Aug 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Wow, I will bookmark mysite once every second to get the best MarkRank. :)

roddy

2:53 pm on Aug 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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And I'm not sure it'd be that easy for Google to do anyway - the words 'privacy' and 'invasion' would probably be invoked if Google started to monitor what went on between sites and individual browsers

Roddy

PS ( you'd also need the word 'of', just to be grammatically correct)

coketruck

5:55 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"the words 'privacy' and 'invasion' would probably be invoked if Google started to monitor what went on between sites and individual browsers"

Not necessarily. If Google created an option on their toolbar where you could bookmark sites they should be able to do it. Just as long as they have a warning before you download it that tells you you're being monitored. When I downloaded the latest toolbar it had two options. One where you could allow Google to monitor, another option to allow privacy.

They could also judge how long people visit a website, and how often.

I also think that a website that has over 2 popups on one page should be penalized, and if a site has atleast one popup on EVERY page of their website it should also hurt their ranking.

A website that has a lot of script errors should be penalized as well.

Another thing I think is that a website should have atleast 5 pages. I've seen way too many websites that consist of only ONE page that usually only has an affiliate link and some text to try to sell the product. These websites I've seen rank pretty well and they say absolutly nothing.

"Another flaw is that for a site that answers just a single question well"

I dont think there are that many one page websites that do that. I may be wrong though. I do think Google should keep the backlinks as part of the pagerank but it shouldnt be so critical. Backlinks was a great idea when it was first implemented but its lost all meaning now. Any website if they try hard can get a high pagerank. It's basically useless.

These are just my opinions. I for one find myself to be let down by the current ranking system. A lot of people bookmark my website and post it on forums. But forums dont count for pagerank. My website is kind of unusual and I cant get backlinks easily.

They do have a function on the new toolbar that allows you to vote. I wonder if it counts for anything?

Dolemite

6:07 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Shoot me down.

OK. This is completely ridiculous. Besides all the obvious technical & privacy concerns, college campuses and internet cafes would inundated with webmasters dl'ing the toolbar and bookmarking like a champ. It would be that much easier to cheat. How long do you think it would take someone to come up with a script that would fool the toolbar into thinking a site was being bookmarked by millions of unique systems?

coketruck

7:14 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well I can say that I have never used a public computer that had the Google toolbar. At any rate, most webmasters probably have access to less then 20 computers, be it in the library, or cafe. Even if they did, I wasnt proposing to put too much weight on any of the previous suggestions.

As far as kids scripting code to circumvent the toolbars security, I personally think its very unlikely. There are only a handful of people who figured out the checksum algorithm for the toolbars page rank request, and even if someone did find a way to circumvent, google can automatically update the toolbar and patch whatever problem. You underestimate google, sure they cant figure out a proper way to rank relevant sites but they can code a wicked toolbar.

Dolemite

7:28 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Assuming bookmarking influenced rank (and it never will), someone would find a way to trick it, rest assured.

If I underestimate Google, you underestimate the voracity of SEOs/webmasters/hackers.

soapystar

7:32 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ok, how about a new approach. Google marks your site based on its content? Or maybe a phone vote? once a month everyone gets to phone in and vote for their favourite site? or google has a team of guys with clipboards who stand on street corners and ask people which sites they prefer?

coketruck

7:44 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You're correct. I'm sure they'll never make bookmarking part of the ranking process. But do you have an answer why there are voting buttons on the toolbar? Does this information mean nothing to Google except a laugh? Having voting buttons is relatively similar to the bookmarking idea. I think Google is obviously experimenting with things.

Perplexed

8:15 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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OK so I have been shot doen. It was only ever meant as a discussion point for those many people on these boards moaning about having to chase backlinks for the wrong reason.

Thanks for your constructive answers coketruck. I was thinking more in terms of them using their toolbar to do it and it shouldn't be too difficult to limit it to one bookmark ( or vote button ) per IP.

The backlink process is undoubtably the easiest ( and only practicable )methoud of doing it but I think there is something inherently wrong with web sites being "voted for" by other webmasters rather than the public that use them. I have spoken to maybe 100 people over the last week or so ( an absurdly small number I know ) and many of them assume google is talking about the quality of the content as a objective judgement ( which in one way I suppose it is )

Bookmarks or votes could be rigged.... Sure, but isnt that what is already happening with backlinks? Links once used to serve a valuable purpose but if it has now got to the stage where people are saying that you should not even call your links page a links page it has started to take on aspects of a Brian Rix farce.

MonkeeSage

8:18 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Here's a wild and crazy thought: how about ranking pages by how often they are viewed through the SERPS? :)

Jordan

Powdork

8:22 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Assuming bookmarking influenced rank (and it never will), someone would find a way to trick it, rest assured.
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Perplexed

8:47 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sure Powdork, you're right. But how many "Tricks" have you come across to persuade people to link to you?

Whenever PR is discussed we keep coming back to the question of what these mysterious Voting buttons are for. You kinda get the feeling that the big G may already have something in the back of their minds.

merlin30

8:53 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Bookmarks already serve as a powerful ranking tool. It means that you have one more person who will visit your site directly without going through an SE. Getting visitors to bookmark your site is a very powerful source of targetted traffic.

And this is where the term "content is king" has real meaning. Personally, I don't bookmark one page affiliate banner list websites with PR7; I do however bookmark niche merchants/information providers, even if they have low, or even zero, PR.

soapystar

10:31 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"Here's a wild and crazy thought: how about ranking pages by how often they are viewed through the SERPS? :) "

but that would reinforce the current serps which would never change. or is that the idea?

Perplexed

10:38 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Whatever methoud was used it would have to have some sort of handicapping system, perhaps related to the catagory or sub catagory you were listed in in DMOZ / Google. Some catagories just naturally get more visitors than others.

Mind you, if this ever came in to being I think I should get the first million "votes" for free for bringing up such a ****** silly idea in the first place.

Perplexed

11:06 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the title change, whoever it was.

GranPops

11:37 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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scrapping backlinks for PR ...........

For over 24 hours now all my new sites have a PR....either 3, 4 or 5.

Not a single link to any of these has even an equal PR, let alone a higher.

Anybody else found the same?