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widgets.com vs. www.widgets.com

How are they different?

         

TheTruth

11:33 pm on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hello, everybody.

Thank you all for all the information on this message board.

I have a site that has both "widgets.com" and "www.widgets.com" indexed when I do site:widgets.com. Normally I would think, great more pages indexed, but I do see different pages cached and I do want one over the other (ie the cached www.widgets.com page has my latest and greatest optimization). Is re-submitting "widgets.com" recommended? Another related question is how long should I wait before re-submitting a site to Google, and is there a difference between submitting "widgets.com" and "www.widgets.com"?

Sorry if this sounds newbie but I couldn't find anything specific to this topic on the Google Knowledge base. Thanks again!

Marcia

11:41 pm on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to the board. That's a question a lot of people have. www. is technically a subdomain if I'm not mistaken; it's best to consistently use either one or the other. You can use mod_rewrite to solve it, just do a site search and you'll find a wealth of mod_rewrite information.

You don't need to resubmit to Google, the bot follows links and they find everything.

rfgdxm1

11:50 pm on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>www. is technically a subdomain if I'm not mistaken; it's best to consistently use either one or the other.

In fact, it is technically quite easy to put completely different sites at root and the www subdomain. Only a weirdo does this, but I actually saw a case like this in the wild once. For the purposes of search engines, redirecting all requests to root to the www subdomain is the best way to go.

claus

1:27 am on Aug 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> redirecting all requests to root to the www subdomain is the best way to go

... or the other way round i presume? I have asked for facts and evidence on a few occasions on this but never had great feedback - is it consistency or is it www that is the best?

Personally i have just (within the last week) abandoned the "www." prefix for my most important domain (yes, right in the middle of "Fritz"-whatever). I have done this out of concern for (a) my users, and (b) branding (and because, as Marcia and rfgdxm1 also suggests, it simply makes no sense technically that the site resides on a subdomain of the site). I do suppose, however, that ranking will improve because of consistency alone.

The site is six years old and have sofar occupied both domains. I know that most backlinks for this domain is with "www." and i know that most bookmarks and type-ins will also be so for a while, but i have done it anyway. It's perhaps rather wild to do so (now), but i have observed past success for other sites not using "www." and i have a very strong feeling that it's not the "www." it's consistency.

/claus

added: Technically i use mod_rewrite to 301-redirect all incoming traffic on the "www." subdomain to the same address on the domain itself.

added2: TheTruth, if you prefer the www-subdomain-solution, or even "xxx.domain.com", "zzz.domain.com" or so, then by all means go for it, i think consistency is key also the other way round.


BTW: Welcome to WebmasterWorld TheTruth :)

TheTruth

7:10 pm on Aug 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thank you for all your replies, I appreciate the input. I will just point to www for consistency.

By the way, out of curiosity, say when you make a change, submit to google, and results aren't quite what you wanted (lower ranking!) how long should you wait before submitting again?

killroy

7:14 pm on Aug 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've also foudn that the dark green

my-domain.com

stands out more then a

www.my-domain.com

might be another advantage.

SN

rfgdxm1

7:27 pm on Aug 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



>Personally i have just (within the last week) abandoned the "www." prefix for my most important domain (yes, right in the middle of "Fritz"-whatever). I have done this out of concern for (a) my users, and (b) branding (and because, as Marcia and rfgdxm1 also suggests, it simply makes no sense technically that the site resides on a subdomain of the site). I do suppose, however, that ranking will improve because of consistency alone.

Redirecting www to root works just as well.

claus

2:30 am on Aug 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> www to root

That's what i did - kept the CNAME and did a rewrite on the server. I also redirected deep files to the same URL without www in front of the domain. Sofar things are working nicely with busy spiders buzzing around as usual and other user-agents seeing what they should as well, but i haven't seen any effect in SERPS yet - neither negative nor positive. It's a bit too early for that but i'm not particulary worried though.

/claus