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The index page for this archieve has a PR of 5 (main index is PR6). All the newsletters for 2001 and 2002 have a PR of 2 but all pages for 2003 have a PR of 0.
2003 newsletter have been indexed by Google, infact the May 2003 one has our highest rank!
So why no PR?
- Could it be too many links (30ish) on our PR5 index page?
I find it ironic that some people have no problem with stating that they'd refuse to link to a PR 0 site, while at the same time complaining about the toolbar - despite the fact that *they* are the same webmasters causing the problems for new sites.
John_Creed, I won't link to a PR0 site anymore (I did, until I realized these rules), because Google's guidelines say not to link to a penalized site. Don't blame that on me.. blame that on Google. If it weren't for them, I would happily link to any site that I liked.
Your comment about not linking to penalized sites also goes to show that Google is affecting people's traffic in areas they shouldn't. You shouldn't have to check ANYTHING, except for whether you like the site in question. Whether they use hidden text to try and influence google has nothing to do with your human reviewed link. Just because google uses machines to determine a site's value, doesn't mean that we should have to be slaves to those machines' verdicts. We are human reviewers and as such should trust our own reviews. If as you say those new sites ended up giving you more traffic than you gave them - couldn't this also be true for 'google penalized' sites that are linking to you? And doesn't it seem just a little unfair to deprive them of YOUR link, just because Google won't include them?
In a nutshell: Google is free to include whomever they like in their index, yet have chosen to tell us that we should first check with them before linking to other sites. Doesn't that seem hypocritical?
Google needs to get rid of the PR on the toolbar and get rid of their (imho illegal) guideline on linking to penalized sites.
My sole reasons for wanting the PR display on the toolbar are selfish. I have a good PR and I know for a fact that i've gotten many link request from other high PR sites for that reason alone. So it helps me.
But from Googles perspective they *should* get rid of the PR display.
However my original point I was trying to make was pro-webmaster and not pro-google. Let's ignore for a minute whether or not you agree with Google and simply agree to play by their rules just because you have too...
You *still* don't have to automatically reject a trade just because a site has a PR 0. Check the serps for their URL, if they are located in Google - than the site is not banned.
BTW...I doubt Google cares about a webmaster linking to one banned website(Which has a REAL Pr0.)
The problem is you don't want Google accidently confusing you for a "spammer" and thinking your site is affiliated and part of a spam scheme.
Unfortunately I can't ignore Google's opinion, as a significant portion of my livelihood is dependant on them now. As a result, I have to be very careful who I link to.
You're right about checking sites out that way. Probably the best option at hand really.
Technically though google's guidelines actually say not to participate in 'link schemes designed to increase your site's rankings'. Now how many of us here can say that they aren't guilty of that :-)
Site with new links from a PR5 site as of April 6 now showing a PR4 after months of PR0 (although I don't understand how it got a PR4 - we were expecting a PR1 or PR2 at the most.
Our main site went from PR4 to PR5, another site has stayed at PR4 however the new interior pages are now showing PR.
Backlinks on www are now reflecting the update.
>EDIT< Just noticed the "Fitz" update" has been posted to.
Would you link to Google France? Yes? Well... they have a grey bar :)
I'm quite sure they aren't penalized in any way...
Dan
Btw I saw two-year pr5 site with 1 (one, and yes: one -confirmed) inbound link from other external pr5 site which was the only outbound link all over the site.
- or is nobody then benefiting (except the user) - and as Google themselves mention - write your site for the user not the SE :-)
The thing is - if you link to many sites on various pages ex. related links on articles - there is no way you can keep track of them and know if they suddenly is being banned.
On a final note - if you do get punished for linking to PR0 pages - then you can't even link to your own new content (this page is PR0) - so maybe it means nothing afterall?
Klaus
Sorry, I wrote that before I knew to separate PR from 'link popularity' - I thought it was one and the same then. I suppose I could ask the same question again (the one you quoted) in replacing 'PR' with 'backlinks' - does google think 'www.perso.yahoo.com' is a 'much linked to' site?
Anyhow, homepages seem to always rank higher in a keyword phrase search, was just wondering why then.
People keep talking of new sites with PR0. Well it's happening at a page level. And it's any page that you update.
<whoops - edited out error!>
But it only seems to be temporary. None of my pages have existed for more than 1 year. Most are only 3-4 months old.
They swing between showing PR and not
Suggy
I really need your help ... my client's site has a PR 0 and Zero backlinks for the longest time. The site has been online since January 2003 and should have about 300 backlinks from relevant high PR sites.
Can you see if this site has been penalized? Please help. Thank you in advance.
According to my broken thermometer my temperature is 124 degrees F...and therefore I must be dead?
GOOGLE....do away with that Toolbar reading and the ODP Directory reading.....the dark was much better than a falsely lit situation!
Is there a solution to this?
What about the Alexa toolbar, with it's "traffic rank" toolbar an acceptable alternative?
My site has a PR of 5, and a "traffic rank" of 12,xxx
Would it be fair to assume that anyone with a "traffic rank" of 12,000 or lower to be "safe" to link to? Maybe 12,000 is too low. Has this discussion already happened somewhere...
BTW, webmasterworld's "traffic rank is "262" and it's PR is 7.
--Mark
What did you do to get the green bar for your Two sites with PR0 on internal pages (since April)?
