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The index page for this archieve has a PR of 5 (main index is PR6). All the newsletters for 2001 and 2002 have a PR of 2 but all pages for 2003 have a PR of 0.
2003 newsletter have been indexed by Google, infact the May 2003 one has our highest rank!
So why no PR?
- Could it be too many links (30ish) on our PR5 index page?
PR is just not showing on more recent pages at this point in time - yet some of those pages are still ranking nicely. We don't really know what's up, but we have to work around it best we can. We got kind of spoiled with being able to see.
Nobody wants to give new links to new sites since there is no way of knowing if a site is penalised or not
If you want to know if a site is penalised, why not search for it in google. If it's truely penalised, it's not going to be there.
...what I find amusing is that the Google index page itself has only a ranking of 9 last I've seen : )
It shows as 10 for me, but what's really funny is that if I click the "Google Home Page" option from the toolbar, it is PR 1, no joke. The url is actually [google.com...] though.
[edited by: tombot at 1:14 pm (utc) on Aug. 7, 2003]
This is my point. Google wants to build its algo on the back of a linking culture/structure that it brought about with the release of the toolbar. now that very act has brought linking to halt.
Talking about PR has anyone else noticed that a popular Google Dance tool has had their home page go from a PR6 or 7 to PR0?
I think that may be because it is now redirecting to a subdomain of another site which I think is a recent development?
I am having problems linking too. Not fair to newer sites like mine.
I'm having this problem too. I was amazed when I got my first rejection citing this as the reason.
I would love to see a thread dedicated to other ways you can see if a site would be bad to link to, then i can point people that say no to it and they will hopefully have a change of heart...
I even offered to show my stats to them to see that I really do get traffic form google, but they didnt take me up on that.
Instead of giving PR0 to new pages until who knows when, why don't you assign those pages default PR of 7 till you do something with that toolbar?
I promise, I won't complain then. ;)
Taking five months?
How can my site get #6/850000 with no real pr and poor seo?
Maybe google is rewarding me for not SEOing that site
Actually, perversely, i have seen this to be the case with some small sites - maybe it's only psychological, but i swear a teensy completely unoptimized no fluff site will come up bettere than a teensy all-out optimized one.
At present we have a PR6 site, with some sub-sections with the same PR. New pages within that sub-sections get a PR from 2 to 5 depending upon their sub-level (5 for first level, 4 for second, 2 for products pages). Last April we started a new sub-section and although pages within it have been indexed and are well ranked in searches, the toolbar says that they have not been ranked by Google. I mean, when I make a search, they rank where they should be according the rank I've manually calculated, but the toolbar still says they're not ranked.
This don't worry us, but If we were a new site, reliying in our page rank to make reciprocal links, we would be in a problem. I think this problem should be corrected in brief, or else disable the PR in the toolbar.
All have a white PR bar which showed up approx. 2-3 weeks after they were launched. This is the time that I estimated it would take to get SOME sign of PR...but alas, nothing as of yet.
Backlink indexing has also been attrocious since about May/June.
I am hopeful that Google is just in a stage of transition, as all long-time SEO folk have experienced - having to wait around for several months in the past until certain SEs "pull their pants up". I really would like to believe that this is one of those phases for Google.
They have alot of work ahead of them if they're planning to break away from the presence that Yahoo! gives them. That's a ton of exposure and brand recognition lost.
Keep in mind that AskJeeves couldn't create a decent presence even with ADS ON CHICITA BANANNAS AND VARIOUS BEEF JERKY PRODUCTS (They had an entire campaign based on co-branding with major food distrubutors and as soon as it stopped, so did the traffic level they gained.)
It never ceases to surprise me of how LITTLE the general public knows of Google when it comes to a stand-alone service (searching via www.google.com), and I hope they're not biting off their nose to spite their face.
Hey, just wanted to step in and say that's not correct.. PR doesn't automatically grow with time.
If you are a webmaster struggling to get links to your new site, sticky mail me with your links. :-)
Cheers,
MrBrad
Googleguy, how are we supposed to resolve this tidbit with the bad neighborhood issue? There is nothing to distinguish a new site from a penalized site.
It is nearly two years old but in April it was redesigned and new pages were added.
Pre dominic - some pages were still holding some PR.
I am done waiting - is this normal? - is anyone else still waiting for internal PR to come back?
BTW - this has in no way affected the website rankings - each internal page receives traffic from google. In fact, it has remained more stable than many other websites I watch over the last few months.
I have a similar problem with getting links as my links page is also a PR0 nobody will recip link with me :(
The only thing that may be wrong with this website is the fact that two or three pages are very similar so a duplicate penalty on a few pages I could accept.
Google is not only penalizing by removing sites from their index (which they have full right to), but also penalizing by making it next to impossible for sites to get good links from well respected sites.
Considering the most common way of checking whether someone is a 'web spammer' is by checking their toolbar PR, this means to play it safe, no one should link to a PR0 site.
soapystar and gus_R, you make a good point asking how you are meant to get any links. I certainly wouldn't give you any.
Googleguy, just telling us that people need to know that sites start with a PR0 is simply not enough. These guidelines you have put in place are hindering people's websites in areas that should have nothing to do with Google. Because people are scared to link to PR0 sites, those sites can't get links, even if they don't give a flying ** about where they rank in Google. I for one will NOT be linking to another PR0 site until that guideline gets taken down or the PR bar clearly indicates a difference between penalized sites and PR0 sites. This is the effect that these rules are having.
Essentially, the only way to get any LINKS now is by first paying for one from somewhere like Yahoo!. Google has (unintentionally perhaps) turned the internet into a PFI phenomena.
If google keeps up this guideline that people may get penalized for linking to penalized sites, it can surely only be a matter of time before they have to deal with the consequences in court.
This toolbar NEEDS to be fixed. It is far from an unimportant issue as many here claim.
Google is not only penalizing by removing sites from their index (which they have full right to), but also penalizing by making it next to impossible for sites to get good links from well respected sites.
Considering the most common way of checking whether someone is a 'web spammer' is by checking their toolbar PR, this means to play it safe, no one should link to a PR0 site.
soapystar and gus_R, you make a good point asking how you are meant to get any links. I certainly wouldn't give you any.
Googleguy, just telling us that people need to know that sites start with a PR0 is simply not enough. These guidelines you have put in place are hindering people's websites in areas that should have nothing to do with Google. Because people are scared to link to PR0 sites, those sites can't get links, even if they don't give a flying ** about where they rank in Google. I for one will NOT be linking to another PR0 site until that guideline gets taken down or the PR bar clearly indicates a difference between penalized sites and PR0 sites. This is the effect that these rules are having.
Essentially, the only way to get any LINKS now is by first paying for one from somewhere like Yahoo!. Google has (unintentionally perhaps) turned the internet into a PFI phenomena.
If google keeps up this guideline that people may get penalized for linking to penalized sites, it can surely only be a matter of time before they have to deal with the consequences in court.
This toolbar NEEDS to be fixed. It is far from an unimportant issue as many here claim.
