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I also notice it seems that Google has 2 banks of datacenters. Only one of the 2 does the partial update. Next partial update, the other bank of datacenters is used. Looks to me like -ex, -in, and -zu are involved this time. And, possibly -va. However, it could be that all of these are being rerouted all to one physical datacenter. Looking at traceroutes this may be the case.
Diversify. Diversify. Diversify your traffic sources.
If we are now in an era of a continuous, rolling update, then I would expect that within the next week things will change.
Fredbot went deep early this morning, deepest since Esmeralda. Those shiny, new June 26th tags on my x-dearly departed index file have my interest.
Yesterday finally returned to #22 but was stable on all DC's
Today dropped again to #47 but is stable on all DC's
This instability is so rediculous. Nothing has been done to change my site. The only thing I did, because it was recommended, was add more quality backlinks. Could adding more backlinks (higher PR's or same) cause a drop? Surely not, unless something is seriously messed up.
I am *this* close to giving up. I want to work on my pages, BUT god only knows if they will be #1 tomorrow or lost in oblivion.
I'm seeing it jump around less from minute to minute, but I'm still seeing things change quite a bit. My index page is still out in 5 of the 9 datacenters. At midnight it was out of all of them. By 2am it was back at every one...now only in 4.
I don't know, maybe you're right...I'd just hope that it wouldn't settle down with us in only 4 datacenters. But I guess that's better than NO datacenters at all...
Is your market a competitive one? Is it prone to spam?
My theory is that it is taking a while longer for this to stabalise in competitive or spammy areas.
I saw the same as you for 8 days running but now my search terms are the same at each center and have been for 8 hours now.
Through every one of these shakeups, we've come out back in the SERPS...but they take the whole week doing it and only leave us with the weekend, where we don't do much business. I guess I shouldn't complain. At least we're there sometimes...
My index page went AWOL 60 hours ago. If I search for the index page title, it shows up indented under the contact info page.
But it doesn't show up normally.
I'm hoping there are others in the same boat, and Google is striking up the band as I speak - to make another turn around the dance floor.
Confusing.
You've definately missed something. (all the posts in this thread, perhaps?) :)
1)Google is still making changes.
2)Serps are better, but not what anyone would call good.
3)Spam sure as hell ain't gone.
4)Some index pages have returned. Some haven't.
That's basically what's being said throughout this thread and the others.
Post Dominic
Type in a search term trying to find one of our sites and you see the serp result showing the right title and description for the site, but try to find the site using www.widgets.co.uk, and you see an older title and description.
Next, click on the directory to see what Google got from DMOZ and the description is months old, however in the last week its got up to date info.
What will happen tomorrow?
Old DMOZ data? - possibly
#5 in serps - possibly
#70 in serps = possibly
The whole thing is still incomplete, but is it getting better?
What I see is the guys at the Plex having a heck of a time figuring out how the hell to deal with all the data being fresh data. They are trying to teach the system how to know what to drop after a couple of days and what not to. Hence, our dropped index pages, and this supereverflux that's going on.
I don't think we will see a resolution to this anytime soon. Maybe they are testing out new algorithims. I am lost just like everyone else.
I just realized that this is why my sites are bouncing around on almost a daily basis. When Google is showing an old cached page of my site, my rankings drop dramatically. When they show the newer cached page, my rankings are good. Old, new, old, new, old, new...it changes every day or two. C'mon, when you get a new cache, dump the old one! How hard is that? I find it amazing that G is still having this problem after so much time has passed.
Even before Dominic, SERPS would flux quite a bit in between dances due to freshbot and everflux.
A true indication of whether Google will go to a "rolling update" will be if they adjust PR and backlinks before another "full update".
Should be an interesting time to say the least.
(1) I believe Google is ranking some sites based on the correct data for (spam free) backlinks and PR, but this data is not viewable (yet). It is not yet showing in the toolbar or in link:, even if it is, in fact, being applied.
(2) The state before new backlink data is applied, so Google can check for updates and apply on-the-fly filters. This would likely be to protect against spamdexing.
I also believe a larger percentage of backlinks from sites with tons of other outbound links are simply being discounted as part of this process.
Not necessarily. Because of the way PR works, and has to be calculated iteratively, I don't think that PR can be done on the fly. This can be done only once a month or so. However, I wouldn't think this would be so big a deal. Google already has freshbot adding new pages without calculated PR on the fly. As for backlinks, inbound anchor text could be added in on the fly. It should be noted that if Google is doing rolling updates this wouldn't necessarily mean that they would show backlinks immediately as added. They might just update showing that every month or so. Besides, who other than nosy webmasters checking up on their site, and their competitors, use the link: command? And, even now Google only shows a limited subset of backlinks. Only those with a PR of 4 or better are shown currently.
Also, has anyone else noticed the absence of frestags again? I know things are in flux but they seem to be gone more than they have been in the past few days? Or am I imagining it?
It looks like many of the backlinks have all been factored in and accounted for..... Hope it stays!
I'd hoped to make the following comment in a new thread, but it disappeared off to the moderators and that was the last I heard of it...
I've got a curious situation where all my site's pages are in Google's cache as at June 10th apart from the main index page (April 26th). The index page has a "what's new" that I change when I change other site pages, and I'm curious why this page alone isn't being updated. Any ideas.
DerekH
<edit... ugh, here we go again, wholesale elimination of index/topical pages; resurrection of those all important "contact us" and "terms and condistions" pages... they need a plumber, the way this thing keeps backing up>
Actually, everything seems to be shaking up a bit but in a weird way. Dominitis type stuff- with pages missing in some data centers AGAIN. It's very strange. Pages #1 in some datacenters and totally buried in others.
I stand corrected. The SERPS have not settled down.
