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Sudden drop in PR4 to PR<1 or 0?

How can PR suddenly drop?

         

The Subtle Knife

4:58 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A few sites I have haven't been updated in over 6 months,
which have virtually no content or meta. Completely non-commercial, and not enough effort to even call it a useful non-commercial site, or even personal site.

This site had PR3-4 for ages, I've never seen it without PR3-4.

Now it's PR 0 (or less than 1 I assume)

It's basically a dormant site, but get's linked to as it's a contact domain used in answering blogs etc...

How can a dormant,never updated dead site, drop from PR 4 to PR<1? Links to it a "Organically" gradually increasing!

Frankly, this is nonsense - I just don't understand it,
it can't be a ban, because the site doesn't stand up as a spam/door way page! It's basically dead dormant site with almost zero content. It's always been like that from day 1! Infact PR has been gradually increasing as the links increased to it.

Think of someone wanting a personal site, and knocking up a few pages, and just leaving it like that - FOR YEARS.

Any explanations?

takagi

5:05 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If there is no spam on your site (nor links to a bad neighborhood) then I can only think of 2 possibilities:

- expired domain

- Duplicate content

robertito62

5:29 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Didn't GG said expired domains would be credited all links acquired post purchase?

carlr

5:34 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It does not seem to work for all expired domains.
I have the same problem here.

GG said to ask for a reinclusion request to webmaster at google.com for users who think they are affected by this.

hope i helped

takagi

5:35 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes, GG [webmasterworld.com] said so. But this algo is new, and not without problems.

The Subtle Knife

5:38 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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- expired domain

- Duplicate content

* Not an expired domain!

* No Duplicate content, there is no content, it's virtually
a holding page!

JonB

5:48 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GG said to ask for a reinclusion request to webmaster at google.com for users who think they are affected by this
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did anyone try this? I did and got reply within 3 days :

--
Thanks. We will investigate this site. We appreciate your
patience.
--

that was 2 days ago and i dont know what. just wait?Do they get back again? I see that also index.htm is now pr 0 while it pr 1 for past few months. I DIDNT touch this site for like 1 year I think. I cleaned everything over year and half ago and few monthsa ago i got pr 1 and now it is pr 0.i dont know if this is becasue of update or becasue they penalized or they reset it..

googleguy if you read this - if penalty is lifted then do we have to wait to get spidered again and wait 1 or 2 months to get rank again?

carlr

5:52 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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[webmasterworld.com...]

See this thread

takagi

6:07 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A few sites I have ....
This site had PR3-4 for ages, I've never seen it without PR3-4.

there is no content, it's virtually a holding page!

Are we talking about several sites or just one site? If it is about several sites, are they somehow related? Linked to each other, or linked from one site? Why would someone link to a holding page? Did it have some content in the past?

Just some questions to better understand the problem.

netguy

6:09 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The Subtle Knife... I didn't notice whether you stated it was removed from Google, but I have a similar situation with 1 of my domains.

I have more than a dozen sites that I haven't gotten around to doing much with. Every 1 of them maintained a PR3 since I can remember. They have been sitting on my server for about 2 years and other than a couple lines of text identifying them, they are basicly just sitting there with some keyword info for each particular domain.

Of the 10 I looked at after the dance, I noticed there was 1 domain that went from the PR3 to a PR0 (all white). There is no weird linking, no expired domain, it just inadvertently went to zero.

Surprisingly it still is #5 on page 1 in the SERPs (out of 277,000 results), so it certainly hasn't hurt the positioning any. Since this is an unfinished site, I'll add a link from one of my active sites, and assume that Google will come around next month and bump it back up.

Steve

tedster

6:09 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think the question is more academic, and an explanation might point to changes in the Google algo. But from Subtle's description of the site, it doesn't sound to me like PR is an issue with practical implications here.

The Subtle Knife

6:17 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think the question is more academic, and an explanation might point to changes in the Google algo. But from Subtle's description of the site, it doesn't sound to me like PR is an issue with practical implications here.

huh? the site HAS NOT CHANGED OR EVER BEEN UPDATED FOR ALMOST A YEAR, IT'S ALWAYS HAD A PR of 4.

Surprisingly it still is #5 on page 1 in the SERPs (out of 277,000 results), so it certainly hasn't hurt the positioning any. Since this is an unfinished site, I'll add a link from one of my active sites, and assume that Google will come around next month and bump it back up.

Searching for a few unique words brings the site up at number 1, so positioning appears to be the same on first inspection.

* This is very very strange *!

It's a personal site with a blog, complete rubbish basically.

It's strange because in the recent press, personal blogs,
are supposed to have massive PR power in google.

(googlewashed, second superpower bla bla bla)

So on evidence this can't happen to a personal blog - I can only think it's in error.

What's the best way to get thier attention to get it fixed?

The Subtle Knife

7:26 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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er, there are no "adult" words in the pages either!

If pages aren't displayed they can't have a PR right?

Like Porn sites?

swerve

8:13 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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but get's linked to as it's a contact domain used in answering blogs etc...

Can you explain this further? Is it possible that the page lost one or more PR5 links in the last update?

The Subtle Knife

8:28 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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but get's linked to as it's a contact domain used in answering blogs etc...

Can you explain this further? Is it possible that the page lost one or more PR5 links in the last update?

That's what I thought, then an inspection of links
in www.alltheweb.com shows, the same links pointing to the site which I recognise all of them from months ago.

It's a blog, so people linking to it are generally other personal sites, or forums, where you can have a URL in your footer for each post. It's use is nothing but as a personal web holding for someone.

These links haven't changed from say, last week say, when the site was PR4. The site hasn't changed, the same old links point to the site.

It's gotta be a bug.

Chicago

8:38 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



This has happened to one of my client's site with this crawl. PR5 to PR 1 on home and 0 on internals. With link:www.url.com it is showing ZERO links. Site is totally clean, by the book optimization with a very nice position prior to this bomb.

I drilled the client making sure he didn't join some link farm et al and he swears by it. Prior to going down the reinclusion route, I have a question.

Is it possible for a competitor to purchase a link farm or other banned listing agent on with my client's URL with the intent of hurting a competitor?

In all my years and with all the sites under my firms management, this has never happened.

If not a competitor, there has to be an issue with the algo this month.

swerve

8:48 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's a blog, so people linking to it are generally other personal sites, or forums, where you can have a URL in your footer for each post.

There has been a lot of discussions here about Google not counting guestbook and messageboard/forum links in recent updates. Perhaps Google has discounted the links for this reason.

ciml

1:39 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Assuming that T_S_K doesn't have a penalty (it seems very unlikely that he does), the most likely answer is that either he's lost the link(s) that gave most of his PageRank, or the PR of that page (or those pages) has reduced substantially, or (far less likely) that page (or those pages) has the can-have-PR-but-not-pass-it-on penalty.

Often, most of the PR comes from a very few links, or even one link.