Submitted to Google & DMOZ a year ago...

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Submitted to Google & DMOZ a year ago...

no luck

mahlon

6:26 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have had no luck getting a friends site into Google after optimising and submitting over a year ago to Google and DMOZ. It is clean code, no spam, what can I do?

TIA

caine

6:28 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

seems strange, when was the last time that you tried to submit, and is the content child-friendly?

le_gber

6:29 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Was the site banned before?
Or on a banned domain name?

Leo

JonnyWales

6:31 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

12 months into Google might be strange, but 12 months into DMOZ is about the norm .... they are a joke. At least for the categories I'm interested in :)

stuntdubl

6:32 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Have you tried visiting the DMOZ resource zone site?

Editors and Meta's for the various categories are generally very helpful there, and can give you insight into where your site is, and the process for inclusion.

I will sticky you the link.

mahlon

6:34 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

It is for a law firm and the site was fairly new at the time I came and optimized it. Before, it had a re-direct that I had taken care of. Last time I submitted was early 2002.

caine

6:36 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Do another submit to DMOZ, though go high up the directory tree and contact an active editor and ask for a review, that will get it into all of DMOZ's feeds.

rfgdxm1

8:03 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Do another submit to DMOZ, though go high up the directory tree and contact an active editor and ask for a review, that will get it into all of DMOZ's feeds.

High up the directory tree, if you mean like top level, likely would be ignored. Far better to start with the first editor up, and if after a few weeks go to the next editor up, and so on. It may be this is in a cat with a listed editor, that is inactive and the next editor up doesn't realized they haven't done any editing in ages, and figures they are getting things done.

cornwall

8:14 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you are not on Google it would imply that either you have a problem with the site being blacklisted - or you have no links for Google to follow to find the site

In my experience, one does not need to submit to Google, they find you. Check your links and if lacking put one on somewhere off another free directory, or off a friends or relations site

Receptional Andy

8:19 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>If you are not on Google it would imply that...you have a problem with the site

Exactly my thoughts. Check your sites http status codes, robots.txt and robots meta tags (if you have them). And make sure you have links to you from as many good sites as you can find.

Do you appear in other crawler engines like altavista or alltheweb?

eurolandscott

9:01 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'd like to jump on this topic too. I submitted to DMOZ about a year ago and am listed as linked on Alexa. My question is that we don't show up on a Google search either. When I searched on all the web we showed up number one. I know we are not well spidered, and I can't seem to get the programmers in Europe to get on this. Is there an explanation of why we show up on all the web and not Google? Another question. Does anyone have any thoughts on alexa rankings. We have been moving up and are currently ranked around 16,900. I've wondered why our alexa ranking has been moving up, but we still don't show up in a google search. I use tons of keywords in adwords and I know thats helped somehow, but I'm not sure of the reasoning behind it as I'm not a programer.

rfgdxm1

9:09 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

eurolandscott, are you listed in the ODP? And, are the sites linking to you in Google. If so, Google should be able to find you from these inbound links. Google is so good at following links I have had a new page show up in the index the next day because freshbot found a link to it, followed it, and added it.

Receptional Andy

9:10 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>alexa rankings

IMO alexa toolbar rankings can only be used as an extremely rough estimate. They have too small a user base and too many users of similar demographics for it to really mean anything accurate.

Install the alexa toolbar and set the page you want to rank higher as your home page. It doesn't take long for the ranking to start shooting up...

eurolandscott

9:24 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

I actually submitted to the ODP last night. I'm going to go back there and see if I can figure out how to see if I'm linked and so forth. That's interesting about alexa. Is there a more accurate way to see where your site is more realisticlly ranked?

rfgdxm1

9:41 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

In that case eurolandscott, even if you are in the ODP already, too early for Google to have picked that link up. (And, for those reading, YES it is possible to get in the ODP that fast. I've on many occasions as an ODP editor reviewed sites on the same day they were submitted. While some areas of the ODP are seriously backlogged, in other areas queues are very short.) As for Google, all you should need is a link from a well spidered site to you to get in quick. Google finds new pages from links on old pages quick.

eurolandscott

9:51 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the advice. Even though I've been using ppc for 2 years now, I still don't exactly understand the best way to use links. Our site doen't sell anything, nor does it run ads. It is a european finance site with quotes from all the major exchanges in europe. We try to keep it as ad free and clean as possible for our clients. I guess I'm saying, how do I get linked to someone if we don't advertise anyone?

rfgdxm1

10:08 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

>I guess I'm saying, how do I get linked to someone if we don't advertise anyone?

Ask you cousin Kim with an amateur site in all the search engines to link to you. Seriously. My sites are amateur, and if I link to any site on them all search engines worth mentioning will find them.

caine

11:25 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

> High up the directory tree, if you mean like top level, likely would be ignored. Far better to start with the first editor up, and if after a few weeks go to the next editor up, and so on. It may be this is in a cat with a listed editor, that is inactive and the next editor up doesn't realized they haven't done any editing in ages, and figures they are getting things done.

why would you not answer the email!

mahlon

12:22 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

The site is not listed in any engines right now, it was in some others for awhile, and I did not submit to those engines. There are currently no incoming links, I'm sure that is one problem and I have asked them to round up some possible linkers but the lawfirm has not done so. One page site, no links, little text but I have seen worse sites listed in Google.

caine

12:25 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

submit now to all the freebie SE's - collect a few PR5 links - should'nt be hard, and submit to the ODP and hunt down an active editor - for a quick review.

steveb

5:02 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

If the site has no links to it then it won't stay in Google. You can submit it a million times but if Google can't find it crawling the web then it will drop out of the index.

rfgdxm1

5:29 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

>why would you not answer the email!

I don't edit a top level ODP category. While I haven't got an e-mail about it, I just checked and found over a dozen sites in child cats I can edit in where the editor hasn't logged in since January. While I loathe to intrude in such cases, I'll likely review and add these sites if appropriate in the next few days according to the ODP guidelines. I just checked the guidelines, and I can't find anything that says I can't review these sites and add them if I deem so.