2 years trying to fix problem

URL problematic and still not re-spidered

[DkissRaggamuffin]

Hello.
I am hoping someone here can help my situation. My site was ranking 1 or 2 for KW [edit] prior to October 2001, in the google index, as well as listed in the google directory. The site was then removed from the index, for housing a "exit pop up window".
On finding out this was against regulations, the pop up was immediately removed, and the site resubmitted. I waited the approproiate time, then submitted again, waited again, then after not being re-indexed, contacted google support. I recieved help and answers to why this could have happened, and the site was respidered, with an incorrect URL. (ouch)

I again contacted support, over the next 12 months, requesting information and possible causes or suggestions as to why this problem was still occuring, but didnt manage to get it sorted out.
Consequently, I gave up, and just accepted that my site did not serve any results in google, and concentrated on the inktomi inclusion system.

After talking to a friend today, and telling him of this problem, he suggested I try posting here, looking for a possible answer to the problem of - yes 2 years later - my site still does not come up on a <kw phrase> (or any other city) in google.
Needless to say some of my more educated customers are unhappy about this, and hassle me as much as they can!

I would like to look for some answers to my problem as google was my number one source of traffic a few years ago, and I would like to get my site back to its rightful position.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Darren. (owner-operator)

[edited by: rcjordan at 3:35 am (utc) on Mar. 18, 2003]
[edit reason] sorry, no references to site specifics, please [/edit]

[jdMorgan]

DkissRaggamuffin,

Welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com]!

Please read the WebmasterWorld Terms of Service below, by way of explaining the edit of your first post.

1) Make sure your page(s) validate at w3c.org
2) Make sure your page(s) validate at w3c.org
3) Use a shareware or freeware "html compressor" to get rid of excessive whitespace in your page source code
4) Declare a proper DOCTYPE for your pages

A few questions:
How many incoming links do you have containing "keyword location" or "location keyword"? Google will often drop sites if it can't find any links to them.
How many directory listings do you have?

Take a look at Successful site in 12 months with Google alone [webmasterworld.com] - It should really help you out.

HTH,
Jim

[jomaxx]

Popups and popunders are not against the rules. Google doesn't even parse Javascript, so it doesn't know or care if you are serving popups.

[DkissRaggamuffin]

Thx, According to linkpopularity results:
Altavista 770 links
Hotbot 176 links
I know if links in is an issue ... I have quite a number of quality linkins, including yahoo. I only have 1 directory listing for the main site,.

[jdMorgan]

DkissRaggamuffin,

main site

Maybe the problem is cross-linking? Lots of info here on that subject too. Cross-linked sites, where the major focus is increasing link popularity rather than usefulness to the visitor, can be a major problem with Google, too.

While we are not allowed to post personal URLs here, that same rule also allows us to discuss anything you think you may have done wrong in the past with relative anonymity. Really, it's a better way to help you, as well as making the threads more useful in a general sense.

Take a look at the thread I cited above, and have a read through the numerous "Google dumped/dropped/banned my site" threads, and I'm sure you'll get some ideas for what may have gone wrong. The WebmasterWorld site search (link at top of this page) may come in handy.

Jim

[CCowboy]

DkissRaggamuffin,

I think Jim may be right about bad out bound links.

How many do you have and are they to sites with PR (Page Rank)?

The other problem is it sounds like you lost your dmoz.org listing. Dmoz is the base for the Google Directory.

By the way, welcome to WebmasterWorld

[edited by: CCowboy at 4:18 am (utc) on Mar. 18, 2003]

[DkissRaggamuffin]

Hi Jim,
What you say may be taken into consideration by Google and caused a general URL 'dump' .. I have gone through this problem elimination process previous, and after spending years working on domain names and sub domains etc linking and interlinking, have dropped all these well over 6 months or more ago. I dont even bother re-registering all my domains anymore, leaving the concentration on my main URL and a couple of others. This was a big decision, with the motivation purely to get back into google, I forfeited position for these other domains in some engines that didn't worry about extra domains.

Needless to say it hasnt worked yet, and I still am not listed in Google.

I have read all the webmaster requirements on google and I am at a loss as to what is 'wrong' with my site.

[jdMorgan]

Well, your domains may have been "permanently banned" if your site used "spammy" techniques in the past. Some webmasters here have been in the same situation. The cure is to clean up the site, get all the incoming links pointed to the site and not to doorways or secondary domains, remove any outbound links to link farms or what Google calls "bad neighborhoods," and then get in touch with Google. Best results seem to be had from being forthright about the site's history, and asking them to please review it and lift any permanent penalties.

In a recent post, GoogleGuy stated that Google would be trying harder to lift penalties on sites which had indeed been cleaned up. I believe that some of these penalties will be lifted automatically over the next few update cycles (Google prefers automatic methods, since you can imagine the number of people it would take to review the sites in their database!).

Jim

[DkissRaggamuffin]

yes .. agree .. I have done this to the best of my ability. During one correspondance with google support, they stated :

Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: re-inclusion request [#1018]

Thank you for writing to Google about your website. Currently, it is not being blocked by our robots.
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whether this is still the case, I have not been able to determine.

My worry is that links to my site may still be active from banned domain names ... this I have obviously no control over. It seems that I have waited long enough for these to dissappear and hopefully it has been long enough now for my domain to be included once again.

[CCowboy]

DkissRaggamuffin,

It sounds to me all you need is a good inbound link with anchor key test. Sticky mail me your URL and if i see no problems, I will consider giving you a link from a P6.5 and Pr5 site. It Is a high upper level Dmoz.org listing and always passes a PR5 - PR6.

This should get you back in Gooole.

We Need to quickly get the link on my site, if you to want make the next update.

Regards,
Jon Langley