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400 new links & no change in PR

Shouldn't I at least get a point

         

Dubya_J

4:56 pm on Mar 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Maybe I'm misreading the whole thing, but thought if I raised by 228 links which were holding their own at a respectable PR6 by a good few links, i'd see a PR increase.

According to Google I rasied that to 668 this month (ethically ofcourse guvnor), most of which are between 4 and 6.

Yet although I can see the new reslts on www.Google my PR has remained at 6.

Have I got the system wrong.

Dub'ya

jomaxx

6:01 pm on Mar 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You may be aware of this, but PR is scored on a logarithmic scale. Depending on what the base is, a PR7 page could have anywhere from 5X to 20X as much "raw" pagerank as a PR6 page. In other words, you could easily have doubled your true PR without moving that little green line.

fathom

11:59 am on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Agree with jomaxx.

Every link you add - adds PageRank, but as you climb the PR ladder ter the spread between the next level higher is much farther away.

If you are listed in Google Directory and in a category with numerous other PR6 sites/pages then you can appreciate how much further you need to go to get toolbar PR7.

If the site directly above you is a PR7 - this will happen relative soon (moving up).

If there are a few PR6 sites/pages between you and the lowest listing at PR7, then longer.

Yidaki

12:06 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>If the site directly above you is a PR7 - this will happen relative soon (moving up).
>If there are a few PR6 sites/pages between you and the lowest listing at PR7, then longer.

Great info, fathom - news to me!

Yidaki surfs to directory.google.com ...

Yidaki

2:12 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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step, step, step ... Yidaki's back from the google dir

OK, fathom, 3 more page are listed above mine at the google directory. We all - including me - have a pr of 22 pixel. ;) (translated = pr of 6). No higher pr page is listed above ours. Guess, that's a bad example for your tips cause how can i know now, how hard the work will be to get a pr 7?

fathom

2:39 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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works well when lots of site at same level... e.g. if ten sites at PR6 then you can assume the there is a different betwwen you at the bottom of that list or you at the top.

Just no guarantees what that difference is though.

Yidaki

2:48 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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fathom, to me it looks like the listings above mine are just ordered by their title alphabetically. So your guess is that they are ordered by dezimal (real) pr?

jeremymgp

2:53 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hey everyone,

In my section of the Google Directory there were about 20 sites with PR6, and a couple each of PR 7 and 8 - last month my site was about No. 15 of the PR6 sites. This month my site is No. 2, there is just 1 more PR6 site above me. Interestingly I gained about 220 links but most of these were internal pages of quality content which I added, and I currently feel that while it is worth requesting links, to get the quantity you need by requests alone is rather artificial, and ultimately time that might be better spent on making content.

That said, does anyone have any good strategies for obtaining large numbers of relevant links without using automated queries? At the moment I just work through the sites that link to my competitors and ask for links, but tips on streamlining this process would be really great. Google seems to value quite highly internal links, and for me time making content is ultimately the most rewarding, and so far is getting tangible results each month. Oh, and if I keep to my 200 or so pages of content a month, are my chances reasonable for next month to have me as a PR7 site? :) That March update fever is gonna spread to April, I can feel it.

all the best,

Jeremy

jomaxx

6:08 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There's a whole forum at WebmasterWorld on link development.

What I have been doing recently to build high quality links is looking at which sites I already send a lot of traffic to, and contacting them for return links. If I send them hundreds of visitors a day, there's a good chance they already know it from their referrer logs.

Of course I wouldn't suggest that I would remove their link if they refused to comply (I might actually do so depending on the circumstances, but I wouldn't threaten it).

BigDave

6:34 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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jeremy,

Depending on your field and your content, continuing to add those content pages may be the best thing you can do to get external links.

When the content is good enough, you will start picking up lots of no effort links. That is probably the reason that your internal pages appear to be making such a difference, you are probably picking up some deep links. Check your backlinks on some of those internal pages and I bet you will find some external links that you did not know that you had.

fathom

6:44 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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fathom, to me it looks like the listings above mine are just ordered by their title alphabetically. So your guess is that they are ordered by dezimal (real) pr?

In Google Directory you have two selections -- alphabetically & by PageRank level. The latter is what I am referencing.

rfgdxm1

7:13 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As jomaxx says, PR is logarithmic. I've seen estimates that the base is 6, which seems a reasonable guess. You increased your inbound links by 50% or so, not 600%.

The real trick with PR is quality, not quantity. My main site has a PR of 6. It is on a very specialized topic, and this is huge for a site on that topic. There are only 2 pages with a PR7 out there I know of on the more general topic, and these are huge, comprehensive sites with tons of links. I got to PR6 (ethically of course guvnor) with just a handful of quality, high PR links. You either need a ton of low PR links to get to PR7, or a few really high PR links. Happen to have a cousin Kim with a PR7 or PR8 home page you can ask a favor of?