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AMP agreement's wording about copyrights.

Is this an issue?

     
7:21 pm on Oct 20, 2016 (gmt 0)

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Bruce Clay's company does a weekly podcast. On the latest one he specifically and repeatedly brings up the issue of content creators' copyrights and the AMP agreement. (As in by participating, Google owns your content.)

I Googled this. I never really did find an article that discussed this issue. I also never found a page that contained the "AMP agreement" itself, so I don't know how it actually reads.

If accurate, that policy would clearly seem both offensive and detrimental. I was wondering what others thought.

Similar in nature:
1) There is the Google Cache, which I don't think is much of an issue for most people.
2) Featured Snippets (the SERP page-top things) is a situation where Google takes your content. But if it is there it usually benefits you.
3) In contrast there is the issue of how Google uses people's images in their image search. I know there are people that complain about that. (I think it's a source where images can be viewed without the person actually visiting the website).

I generally trust Google to play a little bit fair.
It seems if they abused their AMP-obtained rights it would tend to kill fresh or new content creation, and therefore harm both the web and them over the long-term.

There's also the issue that if this is the next big thing, you're either on board or not, so there's not really any choice.

If this issue is correct, it seems somewhat ironic that something that's "open source" (a community thing) is set up where it takes something from that very community (copyrights). The community is purposely/unknowingly (whichever word you choose) working specifically on Google's behalf.

Does anyone have any knowledge about this topic? Or have an opinion?
1:08 am on Oct 21, 2016 (gmt 0)

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Google owns your content
That's a point of view, not a fact.

I couldn't find a specific Google AMP TOS either, just where it says that all the other rules of mobile friendly pages apply to AMP as well.
2:20 am on Oct 21, 2016 (gmt 0)

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If serving AMP is what it's going to take to continue to be competitive, I'll likely do what the herd does no matter what the specifics of this issue are.
But it should be an issue that publishers are aware of, one way or the other.
6:00 am on Oct 21, 2016 (gmt 0)

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I do not see a problem if you are not using the Google cache. The code is Apache licensed:

[github.com ]

@Broadway, unless you are in certain niches, is AMP what it is going to take? I think a lot depends on whether the new mobile index weights AMP specifically higher than measures of mobile friendliness (e.g. page size and speed). Then again, how much that matters depends on how much you rely on Google for traffic.
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Hi,

@graeme_p , the problem is that Google caches* your AMP page, no matter you are agree or not. Officially it's for the purpose of serving them faster, but they can do anything they want with it. I also understand the cached version is modified to optimizing it's downloading and rendering on mobile, so Google might feels like removing some elements of your page, if they want.

* source : [support.google.com...]
"Validated AMP pages are cached in Google's AMP cache, which allows them to be served even more quickly"
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Good point, but if you do not agree to it, then you are not bound by its terms of use.

In fact, if Google are displaying all AMP pages from a cache, that sounds like large scale copyright infringement to me.
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Yes, exactly. But Google is nearly already doing it, with its image search. Since some times, people can access images hosted at your site, without even visiting your site, just by using Google's image search. I am surprised that no one claimed against Google for this.

As you mentioned , no one forces you to make your page in AMP, but if in a near future, non-AMP pages are pushed at the very end of search results, there will be no real choice.
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Image search is legal because:

1) Thumbnail images are fair use (or equivalent in other countries).
2) The full size images are served from your site.

The AMP cache looks entirely different to me.
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"As you mentioned , no one forces you to make your page in AMP, but if in a near future, non-AMP pages are pushed at the very end of search results, there will be no real choice."

You MAY have no choice IF this happens AND you are dependent on Google for traffic.

It would need VERY wide scale adoption for this to happen without drastically affecting the quality of the SERPS (and if that happens, Google's ML algos would not do it).
 

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