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SU_Root

5:04 pm on Aug 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Do you know which countries have the highest ad inventory of advertisers?

greatstart

8:43 pm on Aug 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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My guess is the U.S.A.

wyweb

8:46 pm on Aug 10, 2007 (gmt 0)



USA, but that will probably change with time...

SU_Root

2:15 am on Aug 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Yeah I figured the US :)

Lets say which countries are the highest aside from US, CA & UK?

wyweb

4:29 am on Aug 11, 2007 (gmt 0)



UK probably.

Oh.. aside from them?

Um... good question...

wyweb

5:03 am on Aug 11, 2007 (gmt 0)



highest ad inventory of advertisers

On an international scale, how would you search for that? I mean now that you've asked, I'm curious myself.

How would you find those numbers for your own localality?

I don't think you can.

Green_Grass

5:38 am on Aug 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It also depends upon the niche.

For example in India, there is huge ad inventory for Books, Airtickets, marriage portals, Jobs..

Hardly any inventory for pet care, localized services, art and crafts etc ...

The web is still a little immature here..But the potential is there as more and more companies go online..

JohnDoealias

9:42 am on Aug 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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My Guess:

  • North America
  • U.K.
  • Europe(other than UK)
  • Australia
  • Japan
  • jbayabas

    11:10 pm on Aug 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    My guess:

    USA
    CANADA
    UK
    GERMANY
    SPAIN
    FRANCE

    workingNOMAD

    10:34 am on Aug 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    No way is Canada higher than the UK! Look at the size of populations and size of the economies.

    guru5571

    10:48 am on Aug 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    I would think UK is number 2 after US. Then probably Germany, Canada. It starts getting fuzzy after that. All just uneducated guesses of course.

    gibbergibber

    11:22 am on Aug 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    I would guess Adsense inventories follow the patterns of language more than they follow the pattern of any one country. I would also say that languages are a much more useful way of looking at inventories than countries.

    If a person in Denmark wanted to do a website for an international audience, they would probably write it in English and might save money by hosting it in America. Is that an English website or a Danish one or an American one? For practical purposes I think it should be counted as an "English language" site because that's mainly what determines which inventory Adsense serves to the site. Adsense cares more about the site content than the author's or server's location.

    AFAIK Adsense adverts can appear in any language, I have seen some fairly obscure languages in Adsense myself.

    English is obviously the most commonly used language on the internet and in international general use, but (Mandarin) Chinese is also spoken by hundreds of millions of people and will become a very common internet language as China grows richer. On the other hand, any use of the Chinese language will probably be restricted to China's borders because very few people outside China will learn it. Most people prefer to learn some European language using Roman characters (English, Spanish, French etc), because they're in such wide use anyway and supported by the majority of hardware and software.

    English, Spanish and French have quite a wide international following thanks to the various ex-colonies scattered around the world, and Portuguese is surprisingly common thanks to the Brazilian ex-colony.

    German is common on the internet at the moment thanks to its 100+ million speakers almost all living in rich countries, but it will probably decline as time goes on because the countries that speak it all have stable or shrinking populations. Italian will also decline for the same reason. Italy and Germany never had global empires in the way that Britain, Spain or France did, so their languages aren't used much outside Europe. (Yeah, I know about the Roman Empire but no one speaks Latin any more!)

    In theory the incredibly fast growth of India and its huge expansion into the IT sector ought to see an Indian language catapulted up the charts of internet use, but in practice the country is extremely splintered without a single national language. There's also the problem of characters, as Indian languages generally don't use Roman letters. AFAIK, the main internet language in India is English, partly because that's the main internet language anyway and partly because of India's historical ties to Britain.

    Habtom

    11:30 am on Aug 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    Italy and Germany never had global empires in the way that Britain, Spain or France did, so their languages aren't used much outside Europe.

    Italians have been in my home country for 52 years, and many senior citizens speak Italian. Just setting this straight, and surprised how many stories could be left untold :)

    [edited by: Habtom at 12:17 pm (utc) on Aug. 13, 2007]

    AussieWebmaster

    3:03 pm on Aug 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    Volume depends on topic or category or niche.... some industries are called different things even in other English speaking countries and thus volume varies.

    If you are looking for sheer volume of page views per country then there are lists every where.

    But specific countries for specific keywords that is a different answer

    calman

    4:30 pm on Aug 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    Until now, English language countries seem to have provided the majority of ad inventory. Indeed, English appears to have been the major language of the internet.

    That seems to be changing rapidly.

    I have noted that in my niche many new foreign language sites have been emerging. Some of them are very good and they often provide a local bias to their coverage which my sites could never match. I have noticed that the emergence of these foreign language sites has stalled out the growth of traffic in my niche from many "foreign" countries.

    Indeed, I was reading recently that although English is increasing in importance as the language of international business, it is declining rapidly as the language of the masses - largely due to the low birth rates in English speaking countries. Apparently, in 1950 almost 10% of the world population was being raised with their main language being English. By 2050, that percentage is expected to decrease to 5%.

    Consequently, although English is very important, people should not overestimate it. Internet takeup rates are growing quickly in non-English speaking countries. Going forward, ad inventory will likely grow at a much faster rate in languages other than English.

    HuskyPup

    5:51 pm on Aug 13, 2007 (gmt 0)



    WORLD INTERNET USAGE for June 30, 2007

    37.2% Asia
    27.4% Europe
    19.8% N America
    9.4% Lat America/Caribbean
    2.9% Africa
    1.7% Middle East
    1/6% Oceania/Australia

    More info here [internetworldstats.com...]

    the main internet language in India is English

    The main spoken language by educated people is English, even though the offical government language is Hindi, and even the Supreme Court proceedings are in English.

    calman

    8:40 pm on Aug 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    Just to follow up on HuskyPup's observations.

    North America has 19.8% of world internet users with 69% internet penetration.

    Europe has 27.4% of world internet users with 40% internet penetration.

    Asia already has 37.2% of world internet users with only 12% internet penetration.

    Take a guess at where the internet in going to be growing fastest. Take a guess at why so many companies are expending huge amounts of resouces to develop their postions in foreign internet markets.

    HuskyPup

    9:54 pm on Aug 13, 2007 (gmt 0)



    Take a guess at where the internet in going to be growing fastest.

    And take a guess why keyword domain names with non .com extensions are going to be oh so important.

    Those users will be looking for .cn, .id, .in etc

    jomaxx

    10:45 pm on Aug 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    Rah rah. Way to go, rest-of-the-world. However the original poster was asking where things are now, not where they might be a decade from now.

    HuskyPup

    10:14 am on Aug 14, 2007 (gmt 0)



    Rah rah. Way to go, rest-of-the-world.

    You read like an accountant jomaxx! Able to say what's been done however unable to say advise the way to go:-)

    Whilst the OP's original question is which country has the highest ad inventory of advertisers, the way to make serious money in the future is to be securely placed to take advantage of future publisher earnings.

    Hobbs

    11:32 am on Aug 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    I agree that the US/EU (West) has is maxing out on the rate of growth, but this is only valid if we were discussing number of internet surfers and traffic share, when talking about advertisers, it is the economy share that matters, and more specifically the eCommerce and eBanking level of maturity, consumer trust and consumer's appetite, a hundred million online surfers with no credit cards is trumped by few thousands that do all their shopping online.

    For current and future AdSense advertisers inventory trends, monitor Google AdWords online job postings for numbers and caliber required in each country/region there are very clear hints there.

    HuskyPup

    2:06 pm on Aug 14, 2007 (gmt 0)



    a hundred million online surfers with no credit cards is trumped by few thousands that do all their shopping online.

    I concur however I did manage to fond the following information from 18th July 2007:

    "Mumbai, July 18 Bankers expect their credit card business to grow by over 30 per cent in 2007-08. Credit cards have seen a gradual growth from about 7.1 million in 2003 to 22.6 million in 2007. There has been approximately a 30-40 per cent growth in the number of cards in force and also the amount of annual spends on cards on a year-on-year basis.

    The number of cards in force this year is about 30 per cent more than that in 2006, which was at about 17.5 million."

    And the following from 29th March 2007 for China:

    "The number of credit card holders in China is expected to exceed 60 million by the end of 2007."

    Clearly in both countries there is a huge potential for online sales once more have these facilities. How many card holders in 5 years time for these two counties alone?

    250-300 million at a guess?

    It would be interesting to read from the Indian AdSensers here their experiences so far.

    Ooops...sorry, drifted off-topic!

    Hobbs

    2:52 pm on Aug 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    there is a huge potential for online sales

    The operative word here is still 'potential'

    The number of credit cards could mean that some banks are issuing free first year promotional cards with new accounts for example, this does not mean that people will actually use them in shops, or are able to find the majority of shops welcoming those cards without incurring an additional processing fee, or the people themselves carrying the cards are mentally ready to make the jump to plastic and credit commerce.. All this and we have not even addressed online business yet, consumers willing to take the online trust leap and part with their credit card number, local merchants being able to open online merchant accounts in their local banks, cyber laws and infrastructure, trust me, it's a lot of factors that have to intersect before the number of credit cards can be any indicator.

    One final note: 3rd world Governments are not to be trusted in their reported credit card spending numbers, I have personally investigated 3 countries talked to head bankers as well as high profile merchants, cc numbers as well as online % of the population is often highly 'embellished to attract foreign investment and in some cases aid.

    and we are still on topic by the way.

    Green_Grass

    3:07 pm on Aug 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    well...IMHO, Hobbs got it right to an extent.

    In India at least, users are still comfortable buying only low value products on the net. We in India, have not yet graduated to buying high value goods on the net. The net is used primarily for research and buying is offline.

    For my ecommerce site, users still donot trust CC and prefer to pay offline.

    The market is still maturing. But with new companies/portals joining the internet bandawagaon, the potential is big, however it is yet to be actualized.

    Fuzzyfish1000

    3:50 pm on Aug 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    If you do a bit of poking around on various financial websites, you'll see that the world is on the brink of financial crisis, with America's consumer debt worse than anyone imagined, UK pretty awful, and China reporting ghastly figures also. Bank Reserves pouring money in to try to level things out a bit, but inflation and intrest rates still on the up. My view is it's prime time to get fingers in as many pies as possible, preferably in up-and-coming countries. When the west goes pop, and asia shortly behind it I wouldn't want to just be running adSense in the US or UK... Doom speach over. ;)

    HuskyPup

    4:57 pm on Aug 14, 2007 (gmt 0)



    consumers willing to take the online trust leap

    It's quite ironical that so many "western" companies outsource their call centres, many to India, and we question whether the Indians have the "trust leap"?

    Maybe they know something we do not? :-)

    I appreciate your points Hobbs however being an extremely regular business visitor to southern India I have to say that the past few years have seen a veritable explosion in business activities and the average 20-35 year old is no different to their US/UK/EU counterparts with mobile phones stuck to their ears or listening to ipods.

    I could also say precisely the same about China, Malaysia etc, their growth trends and transformations are incredible to see compared to the over-regulated UK!

    tim222

    8:40 pm on Aug 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    [zenithoptimedia.com...]

    According to this report by ZenithOptimedia, Western Europe is in the lead.

    They don't say that exactly, but what I gather is that North America (predominantly USA) is spending 6.8% of $US 190,828 (millions) on internet advertising, which comes to $US 12,976.3 (millions). Meanwhile, western Europe is spending 13.5% of $US 105,391 on internet advertising, and that equates to $14,227.8 (millions).

    I might have interpreted the report incorrectly, so if anyone else has a take on this, please share it with us.

    jomaxx

    10:19 pm on Aug 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    13.5% is for the UK only. Since the UK has one of the highest rates of online spending, the average % for Western Europe should be a fair amount lower.

    HuskyPup

    1:26 pm on Aug 15, 2007 (gmt 0)



    Interesting find tim222

    I read it as follows:

    Total Internet Spend USD Millions

    2005 18,712
    2006 24,454
    2007 31,344
    2008 36,926
    2009 42,685

    Total ALL Media Spend USD Millions

    2005 408,849
    2006 435,022
    2007 458,648
    2008 485,101
    2009 510,815

    The 3 major spending regions are, taking 2006 as an adspend in USD Millions:

    1. North America 183,182
    2. Western Europe 101,544
    3. Asia Pacific 90,542

    The Internet has its highest share in the UK where it will attract 13.5% of adspend this year and 21.5% in 2009.

    I do not take this to mean 13.5% of 101,544 but 13.5% of the UK total adspend however it does not specify these metrics therefore with North America spending some 80+% more than Western Europe I would say that it's fairly conclusive that region's Internet adspend is easily the highest.

    That's my interpretation anyway!

    callivert

    1:07 pm on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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    WORLD INTERNET USAGE for June 30, 2007
    37.2% Asia
    27.4% Europe
    19.8% N America

    I checked out the link, and a lot of that data isn't sourced.
    The calculation is based on population * penetration, which seems like a pretty shaky way to estimate total internet usage.

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