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RedBar

8:43 am on Aug 2, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Is everyone on holiday?

mosxu

9:35 am on Aug 18, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Last 3 days only zombies click my ads and some clicks gone up 5 times in price.

What a specie!

RedBar

1:11 pm on Aug 18, 2022 (gmt 0)

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4:38 pm on Aug 18, 2022 (gmt 0)

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FYI Google To Release "Helpful Content Update" From 21 August [webmasterworld.com...]

This could make quite a difference to the SERPs, and, although this is just about to roll out next week, and will probably take a couple of weeks, it seems it'll be ongoing.

If your site was made for search engines, watch out. It reminds me of the whole MFA situation a few years back.

Dooku

6:56 pm on Aug 18, 2022 (gmt 0)

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FYI Google To Release "Helpful Content Update"

This is actually a bit weird? Does this mean that G finally after X years has the technology to save us from those so called "review" websites which are nothing more than thin content spam listicles with affiliate links? Or does this mean G is seeing in their data that more and more people are getting fed up with those useless websites hogging the first 2 serp pages and are now trying to save lost traffic?
We all know from past algo update results and abundant proof that G's motives are NEVER for the good of the searchers.....so take your pick.

HereWeGo123

6:54 am on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)

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I do appreciate that google is innovating and trying to combat bad results. Even they admit that they don’t have everything perfect, hence the constant updates. Otherwise, they would not be releasing them every so often, whether it’s the quiet ones or the confirmed ones. I personally believe (and I guess you don’t have to be a genius to arrive at this) – Google is creating this update for many reasons, but one of them is to combat the fake sites out there that are monopolizing over sites that truly are great for users. Just as a bunch of folks here seen over the years, I cannot stress enough how many old expired domain names get bought that once acquired high DA links (100s of edus, .govs, other high DA sites like healthline, etc.) when it was a different organization, and then the new owners just plaster a bunch of useless stuff and easily rank. Google usually catches up to that but it could take months sometimes years, just depending on how clever the website owners are -- and this is happening while other people are creating great content and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars. Is that fair? No. And I think G may see that, but they may not have a solution for it overnight. I am hopeful this Helpful Content Update addresses just that. In addition, the whole concept of parasite SEO is heavily utilized, just people spitting out thin content and posting it on high DA news publications or local news affiliates’ (SFgate, MensJournal, Si, etc.) websites and ranking very quickly. The SERPs have turned into garbage for a lot of critical key phrases.

JesterMagic

10:27 am on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)

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@HereWeGo123 we have one of those websites in our niche. Someone bought a completely unrelated domain over a year ago which had a good backlink profile and now they are at the top of the search results with poor content. Very frustrating.

Hopefully the "Helpful Content Update: will battle all this AI generated/scraped content I am seeing now. It is the battle of the AIs. (by the way based on Google's previous record this update will not do much except probably hurt legitimate sites)

RedBar

2:27 pm on Aug 22, 2022 (gmt 0)

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My gobal August traffic is holding steady with yesterday being at "old-style" Sunday levels with no excessive single visitor PVs, no specific widget sector, a typical normal day ... I bet this doesn't continue for long!

The most interesting thing for me is from where my project enquiries are being generated and it is definitely not "western" countries.

RedBar

6:11 pm on Aug 22, 2022 (gmt 0)

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I'm getting a lot of Google referral visits from Icloud Private Relay however many of these seem to visit one page only BUT several times during that viist, sometimes as many as 8-10 times.

Some of these visits are completely normal page to page visits, why would I be seeing one page being viewed 4-6 times.

mhansen

6:31 pm on Aug 22, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Was away on vacation and didn't see questions until today.

@JesterMagic

How old is the website and how was the traffic patterns since launch?


The domain is 8 years old, the website is 4 years active. Traffic has been on a steady rise since launching, and the latest increase was more of a spike than a steady rise.

@Martin Ice Web

the problem is, that google will use all the nice content your wrote, the information you give and the work you put into the content against you to their own advantage.


Definitely the world we live in where G is concerned. I agree wholly, and between featured snippets, images that don't link to domains, and searches for the brand that result in a Google panel, they do all they can to keep visitors in their own ecosystem versus letting them out to visit ours.

mosxu

6:23 pm on Aug 23, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Elon gets it,

Drugs money have been replaced

javelin

6:26 pm on Aug 26, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Update on my site experimentation. Note: I do not advise anyone else try this for industry / competition / content / topics will create great variations for everyone. My choice in doing this was merely for personal curiosity as I do not rely upon my site as the dominant source of income.

Since June I have made 0 updates to my research site which is comprised of near a half million words of content. I also have made 0 new pages with new content.

Since the last update an initial dive took place and the more I attempted to add or change initially it made things worse. I stopped working on the site and have allowed things to "settle" or "rest". My reasoning was due to two key components. If the algo had been greatly altered the more I changed would further worsen the situation in how G understands my content.

Now I am seeing great recovery. Impression rates have risen to new highs and I have seen improvement in not only G but also ddg, Bing and associates (ie Yahoo), and others. The degree of improvement is not merely a single day or two out of a week but rather it is consistent throughout the week. So what about the quality of the traffic?

The quality of traffic has increased with higher on page time, number of scrolls, and on page actions such as following links to my other pages. It would seem that the site has stabilized by quantity and quality of the metrics overall. This does not mean that I should forever leave the site unattended or never update it. Rather it would appear that taking action or pushing content can also be a problem if it is at the wrong time, or if G does not have a grasp of the site due to some outside influence beyond your control.

By no means take my scenario here as advice. Nevertheless it is an interesting occurrence that I became curious about due to seeing some rather erratic patterns evolve after the last core update.

renatovieira

8:50 pm on Aug 27, 2022 (gmt 0)

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A very huge drop right now. Anybody else?

javelin

11:35 pm on Aug 27, 2022 (gmt 0)

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A very huge drop right now. Anybody else?

Not here. Mine is maintaining course and trajectory.

ichthyous

1:56 pm on Aug 28, 2022 (gmt 0)

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So far no big drop for me, but my site typically correlates with your moves @Renatovieira so I'm keeping an eye out. What I did see is that UK, AU, and CA traffic were all down 30%, 20%, and 33% respectively yesterday...USA was stable. "Direct" traffic dropped off a cliff on August 17th (before this latest update) and has never recovered since then...it's about 40% lower than before every day. However, "search" traffic has been higher lately so the drop isn't so dramatic.

I took a look at a few searches that I supposedly rank highly for on mobile...the new widget with links to articles now comes at the top of the page after any text ads a huge product carousel and local search. The first organic listing is now well down the page. This new way of presenting site links seems to be a way to economize on space by presenting two images per row, but this means that informational pages and articles are yet again squeezing out commercial site links far down the page.

Mobile pages are a disorienting mish-mash of overstimulation now. So many competing items that you cannot focus on anything. It seems that Google is strongly pushing product listings by placing these prominently at the top of search now...what is the end game there? I will be forced to open an online shop and place my listings there in order to have any real presence.

I have not noticed a huge drop in traffic despite these layout changes...and some of you here report that Google products don't bring in any traffic. Could it be that people are quickly learning to see past all the product listings and listicles shoved under their nose and scroll down the page further in order to find what they want?

Nutterum

12:03 pm on Aug 29, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Traffic was gradually slowing down mainly being cannibalized by our Ads spend. Sadly we are forced to go down that route as more and more people decided to aggressively advertise on top of our brand related keywords, so I cant enjoy free traffic even from this. After may update, things got hit for the worse, with many competitors ranking higher mainly due to their PBN stuffed backlinks. I was honestly furious that this BS tactic still works miracles.

After the latest helpful content released I have seen 14% increase, mainly coming from SERPs I previously had 0 traffic from, suggesting my text content worked well. Still, its the situation is kinda grim. Google either pushing their own properties on top or you have to do search ads as otherwise organic results start after 2-3 full scrolls on mobile. And lets face it - the traffic is mainly coming from mobile.

samwest

1:34 pm on Aug 29, 2022 (gmt 0)

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This topic was always like watching paint dry, well the paint is now beyond dry. Bye.

RedBar

1:14 pm on Aug 30, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone else seen a huge increase in spam emails threatening closure of pseudo email accounts?

What's that all about?

javelin

12:34 am on Aug 31, 2022 (gmt 0)

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What's that all about?

Ive seen that happen in spurts where they come and go. Sometimes its high volume and constant then it will fall off for a while but come back. It reminds me of those guys that sell your phone number, you can always tell when some big group just bought it lol.

samwest

3:37 pm on Sep 9, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Stay regular - Eat Quaker Oats every day.

RedBar

5:31 pm on Sep 9, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Nah ... Scott's Porage Oats ... Now owned by Quaker :-)

ichthyous

12:47 pm on Sep 14, 2022 (gmt 0)

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I guess this thread went by the wayside

samwest

1:17 pm on Sep 14, 2022 (gmt 0)

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@ich - it sure did, we are now focusing on potato farming tips to survive.
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