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Google trimming page title on search results

         

delorean

12:09 pm on Aug 20, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Google is trimming page title on search results. The result is somewhat problematic.
For example:
Sample Promo: Deals Available from Sample App (Promo 1, Promo 2)

Google will cut the title like this.
Deals Available from Sample App (Promo 1, Promo 2)

What happened to Google?

engine

4:18 pm on Aug 20, 2021 (gmt 0)

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It's interesting that this topic is being raised by a number of SEOs noticing the same, and i'm not sure even Google realises the result of the changes.

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delorean

4:04 am on Aug 21, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Glad I posted this. I thought my page is the only one affected. I hope Google will fix this soon.

aristotle

3:18 pm on Aug 21, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Well too many people try to stuff several keywords into their page titles, often making them excessively long.

On my websites I try to keep page titles at 3-4 words, and believe this length is generally more effective than long titles. Too many words tends to dilute the effect of each individual word.

engine

2:38 pm on Aug 23, 2021 (gmt 0)

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It seems that Google is having to field the questions on this around the rewriting. Spammers aside, Google has made the change, but it's not working too well for some.

Suffice to say, we've heard the feedback & looking into all this. That said, it was never the case that writing the "perfect title" guaranteed that title would be used. We have long used more than title tags for creating page titles. That's not some new change...


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aristotle

7:56 pm on Aug 23, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Complaints about google altering page titles certainly aren't new. Many members of WebmasterWorld have complained about this over the years. I can remember doing it myself back when it first started.

tangor

4:50 am on Aug 24, 2021 (gmt 0)

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The human mind if far more inventive than coded "AI", so each time g tweaks the algos to prevent gaming the system there's some collateral damage along the way. I wonder at what point will this continual refining for granularity will eventually break things for real?

Meanwhile, I just K.I.S.S. and plug along.

YMMV

FranticFish

8:56 am on Aug 24, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Having your carefully curated titles mangled by AI is soul destroying.

{tinfoil hat speculation}
Of course, if Google's AI 'accidentally' breaks the value proposition for 'free' advertising no doubt the the ads will pick up the slack.
{ends}

engine

9:17 am on Aug 24, 2021 (gmt 0)

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The AI is attempting to match with the users perceived needs.

It doesn't help a user with their own natural discovery, imho.

engine

11:44 am on Aug 25, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Google has confirmed how page titles are generated, and it's worth reading the whole document.

Last week, we introduced a new system of generating titles for web pages. Before this, titles might change based on the query issued. This generally will no longer happen with our new system. This is because we think our new system is producing titles that work better for documents overall, to describe what they are about, regardless of the particular query.

Also, while we've gone beyond HTML text to create titles for over a decade, our new system is making even more use of such text. In particular, we are making use of text that humans can visually see when they arrive at a web page. We consider the main visual title or headline shown on a page, content that site owners often place within <H1> tags, within other header tags, or which is made large and prominent through the use of style treatments.

Other text contained in the page might be considered, as might be text within links that point at pages.



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An update to how we generate web page titles     Google Search Central Blog     Google Developers

EditorialGuy

4:19 pm on Aug 25, 2021 (gmt 0)

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From a search engine's point of view, the text between the <title> and </title> tags is just a signal, not anchor text that's carved in stone. If we can write our own anchor text or labels for links to other sites, why shouldn't a search engine be able to do the same thing?

When a search engine does rewrite a page title on its SERPs, that's probably because the SE thinks that its text is more useful for the searcher. And let's face it: Far too many page titles are bloated with keywords and fluff, or they're too long to display on the SERP without being truncated.

FranticFish

7:34 pm on Aug 26, 2021 (gmt 0)

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A lot of page titles are non-existent (or something else like the page name, or the site name - which is as good as non-existent).

It would be nice to have the equivalent of a <noodp> tag for people that take the time to weigh the page topic, a solid CTA and pixel width limitations though.

amisha

5:47 am on Aug 27, 2021 (gmt 0)

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How to deal with this? My pages are badly affected

engine

10:57 am on Aug 27, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Google is seeking examples of bad titles, so if you're badly affected, this is your port of call [support.google.com...]

lucy24

4:58 pm on Aug 27, 2021 (gmt 0)

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When a search engine does rewrite a page title on its SERPs, that's probably because the SE thinks that its text is more useful for the searcher.
If the search engine thinks {vague mashup of searcher’s query and phrase that occurs somewhere on the page} is more useful than {exact title of public-domain book whose text makes up 95% of the page}, I can only say that the search engine is sadly mistaken.

tangor

3:27 am on Aug 28, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Sigh ... bring back the days when returns were for what I queried, not what some clever machine (programmed by humans) thinks I mean. What would be fabulous is a search box that asks "With AI or Without?"

superclown2

7:55 am on Aug 28, 2021 (gmt 0)



What would be fabulous is a search box that asks "With AI or Without?"


What would be fabulous would be a search box that shows answers to the query I've put in without irritating popup boxes that move links just as I'm about to click on them, 'people also ask' (that's up to them, I know what I'm looking for), and videos that I will never watch.

However; I am now having to look at every one of the sites I've put up over the last 20+ years to see just what titles G is displaying. Some of the results have been awful so I've now spent three days of my time changing H1 and H2 tags in the hope that they will make sense after G has distorted them. I have other things to do, for goodness sake.

lucy24

5:03 pm on Aug 28, 2021 (gmt 0)

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to see just what titles G is displaying
But how can you know? Isn't the whole point that G### rewrites titles on the spur of the moment in response to the current search--not that they have a fixed and constant database of Our Name For This Page?

superclown2

7:31 pm on Aug 28, 2021 (gmt 0)



But how can you know? Isn't the whole point that G### rewrites titles on the spur of the moment in response to the current search--not that they have a fixed and constant database of Our Name For This Page?


That's correct but I know by now which search terms make me money (or at least used to) and which don't, and roughly where my sites should be in the SERPs for those terms. I confess though that a particular page is converting well despite the fact that it didn't before but of course G stopped giving us the search terms ages ago - a real blow to SEO that was.

EditorialGuy

4:00 pm on Aug 29, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I have other things to do, for goodness sake.

Google's title rewriting is a work in progress. Google has even said as much. So what's the point in chasing a moving target?

lucy24

5:20 pm on Aug 29, 2021 (gmt 0)

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The question in this case is: Does changing the page title benefit the user? Not the site owner, not the search engine, but the actual human performing the search. Does it make them more likely to arrive at a page that does, in fact, contain the information they need, which they would not have done if the page had been listed with its original title?

Or does one of the other parties--either the search engine or the visited site--benefit from user clicks whether or not the click is useful to the said user? I don't remember seeing a lot of posts along the lines of “Sure, what the heck, whatever brings people to my site even if it’s only for an instant”. But people aren't as likely to talk about things they like, vs. things they dislike. (Universal Truth.)

FranticFish

2:14 am on Aug 30, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Isn't the whole point that G### rewrites titles on the spur of the moment in response to the current search

Not any more - at least, not most of the time. From Engine's link above:
"Before this, titles might change based on the query issued. This generally will no longer happen with our new system. This is because we think our new system is producing titles that work better for documents overall, to describe what they are about, regardless of the particular query."

If Google had kept their old system of notifying you in GSC of duplicate / missing titles & meta descriptions then there might have been hope that eventually their title would make its way into Search Console, together with advice on how you could influence it or replace it, as part of their previous policy of giving feedback to help site owners implement search-useful markup.

LeadBalloon

2:34 pm on Aug 30, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Entry-level SEO question, is there an easy or convenient way to see how Google is displaying my website's titles?

FranticFish

6:40 pm on Aug 30, 2021 (gmt 0)

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If Google can be trusted when they say that rewriting is no longer query-specific, then I would have thought that using the site: advanced search operator (search on the string 'site:yourdomain.xtn' with no space after the colon and your own domain) should give you a list of pages - although it has never been guaranteed to give you ALL your pages and I find it a bit unreliable of late.

I just tried this on a site's home page and got the same title (which is the ACTUAL title) both when I used site: and also when I performed a search where the title does answer the query but also contains other words. However, when I searched for the business name the title was rewritten to the business name.

engine

4:02 pm on Sep 1, 2021 (gmt 0)

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@LeadBalloon
Entry-level SEO question, is there an easy or convenient way to see how Google is displaying my website's titles?


One way to test it is to use a proxy.

jpalmer

2:20 am on Sep 27, 2021 (gmt 0)

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That's correct but I know by now which search terms make me money (or at least used to) and which don't, and roughly where my sites should be in the SERPs for those terms. I confess though that a particular page is converting well despite the fact that it didn't before but of course G stopped giving us the search terms ages ago - a real blow to SEO that was.


Eer ... FranticFish

I assume you're still using GA Universal, and you have the property's Search Console "connected"?

Go to >Aquistion > Search Console > Landing Pages > click/select the page you want to examine.

Voila! Search query results associated with that page.

Sopie1805

5:27 am on Sep 27, 2021 (gmt 0)



My 2 pages were affected. And I hope Google will fix this soon.