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FAQs hurt... and Google's "People also ask"

         

JS_Harris

12:07 am on Apr 18, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I'm seeing that some fairly heavyweight sites that try to be online magazines have started using an old tactic in a new way to attempt to gain better rankings. Traditionally a FAQ(frequently asked questions) section of a page or site has been helpful for visitors and thus for traffic, but not when used like this. These FAQ self inflicted wounds hurt everyone.

- Normal article, 2000 words+ with all the latest SEO fads and trimmings
- FAQ section at bottom of article with questions taken from Google's "people also ask".
- Not very helpful, questions are overlapping and are clearly there to please Google

The pain however isn't from the above, it's in what Google is doing with these FAQ sections. Underneath a result for this type of page Google is inserting a SECOND "people also ask" type of section, in appearance, with the FAQ questions found on the page. It litteraly looks like a second "people also asked" section but is just an enhanced feature for that page.

Why that hurts is because these are in collapsible table format which can be clicked to expand the question to see the answer. There are NO additional links to the page and the information is all there on the SERPs page leaving NO reason to click to the site.

If you don't capture the click with the title and a search visitor gets into this type of FAQ section not only will you probably not get a click you might have had but nobody on that serps page will. The querry has been satisfied by Google with your content.

Visualize a regular entry with a "people also ask" section right below it, that's what these entries look like. The questions do expand to show more contrent but that's it, no links, no additional questions popping up, end of search.

This is just my opinion of course - Google is free to do as they wish for the most part. My point is that it puts more content on the search result page and a whole lot more clutter on SEO heavy web pages. Keep an eye out for these self inflicted wounds.

JesterMagic

1:35 pm on Apr 18, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Yup I have mentioned all this before a couple years ago when I first saw them. A competitor started doing it and he is basically hurting himself along with the rest of us and all it did was get others doing it as well.

These FAQs that are created under the article are just answers pulled from the main article and have not context an are usually pretty useless just like Google's own people also asked questions. (unless they are answering the most basic of questions)

For google now it is all about user retention and not about giving the user the best experience. Just look at the ads they serve for different keywords. Most of it is generic and only loosely based on the search query. Google is ripping off not only the users but their ad clients as well.

This is why something other than a fine needs to be done to level the playing field and create actual competition.

aristotle

12:50 am on Apr 19, 2021 (gmt 0)

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If you get sucked into using a "people also ask" section on a google search results page, it can keep expanding downward almost endlessly, leading you further and further astray from the information you originally searched for. Actually I don't see how google could benefit from people getting ensnared inside one of these things (unless they start putting ads inside them).

FranticFish

6:45 am on Apr 19, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I don't see how google could benefit from people getting ensnared inside one of these things (unless they start putting ads inside them).

From a user (or rather a 'we know what you're thinking') point of view, it means that if you don't fit into one of their AI buckets (now that they've moved away from literal and towards interpretive match) then although the main results might not be a great answer (because it's NOT actually an answer to what you typed, but instead a list of results for the topic that your search query has been associated with) then one of these might do. Throw more at the wall, maybe some of it will stick.

From a greedy conglomerate of view, as JM said, it keeps you on their site to ask any follow up questions, rather than ending up on someone else's and exploring that.

londrum

10:16 am on Apr 19, 2021 (gmt 0)

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i'm guilty of using FAQ schemas myself. I think you've just got to remember to put internal links within the answers themselves. So you might not get a link directly underneath the answer, linking back to that page, but you can at least have some inside it, linking to other pages.

JesterMagic

10:50 am on Apr 19, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I don't think I have ever scene a link within the FAQ schema answers shown on Google, so that is possible? I doubt you would be able to do that for every answer

IMO I bet Google is the only one to gain clicks when web masters implement this.

JS_Harris

11:47 pm on Apr 19, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Of course they are, they serve up a full answer to several collapsible question options.

Note: I said these added FAQ features under regular entries are NOT "people also ask" sections, they just have the same appearance. They don't endlessly scroll and add new entries. These are a special feature for webmasters who added a literal FAQ to the bottom of their articles.

IMO they make for ugly results and ugly pages. At least the "people also ask" entries link out to sites, these don't.

tangor

7:21 am on Apr 21, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Heh ... I remember when FAQs were used for information, not SEO, GAMING G, or AD $$$... Times have changed. Whew!

JS_Harris

7:31 pm on Apr 23, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I remember those times too, people built and Google ranked. Now people build for Google, there's a difference, it's noticeable.

Anyway, jokes on the FAQeteers. If they add an entire FAQ section to their "Golden Widgets" page they don't rank for "Are Golgen Widgets heavy?" even if it's verbatim in their FAQ. Nope, Google will favor a page about "Golden Widget Weights" or "Everything you want to know about Golden Widgets" before they rank a "6543 AMAZING Golden Widgets in 2021", lol.

The AI probably noticed that the CTR to the later is not as good as the other examples at conveying the message. Rightfully so, "6543 AMAZING Golden Widgets in 2021" does not clue you in that you will find out how heavy they are. Bonus points for being complete, perhaps, but it's not going to pull traffic.

FAQs are good for letting Google satisfy a querry without sending the person to a site. It's like an image, once seen in image search there's no reason to go to the site to see it.

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9:07 pm on Apr 23, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I have a FAQ page that seemed like a useful thing back in 2004 and it has been kept up to date. It is noindexed and disallowed because I do not think it is a good place to come in to the site. Google has recently been sending notifications about it telling me that is is "Indexed, though blocked by robots.txt".

It is for users, not serps. I have ignored them because I still do not think it is meant for a landing page, not a good UX if you just dropped in there.

Robert Charlton

11:21 pm on Apr 24, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I have a FAQ page that seemed like a useful thing back in 2004 and it has been kept up to date. It is noindexed and disallowed because I do not think it is a good place to come in to the site.
My experience concurs with the wisdom of noindexing (at least some) FAQs... albeit it was a learning process, not something that I'd anticipated.

In 2004, I think that all sites had an FAQ page, and that some SEOs came to use them as doorways. During the early days of Panda, Google was displaying query-sensitive extra SiteLink type links, extra inline links, in the SERPs... and my guess at the time (which I think was correct)... was that Google was using the extra links it displayed actually as a culling mechanism... one of many types of serp configurations they have deployed, to provide a basis of comparison for a systematic process of elimination, to end up with the most desirable result.

The serp-crowding results, where Google offered three or four or more pages from the same domain, was another culling mechanism.

In the case of the early Panda, I remember that when a certain client got an extra inline link for its FAQ page, I was actually alarmed, because that was the page on which the client included what were essentially the fine-print caveats about things like non-returnable items. This was something I'd felt needed to be more prominent on product pages and in the shopping cart.... and we argued about it... but FAQs were where the client felt caveats worked best. As a landing page, though, that FAQ page would have been a disaster. There were also concerns that a jump-back to the serps, eg, might hurt the site's reputation with Google, and I noindexed the page. It was one of my rare uses of noindex for a page meant to be seen at all.

IMO, "People also asked" is very probably a similar selection mechanism, which also provides Google with additional statistical information, kind of a multivariate testing... and it also provides users in a hurry with a way of getting a quick answer... and of deciding whether they want to go more deeply into the site from which the answer was chosen, or return to the serps, or to exit Google. I'm thinking the process also offers Google a way of determining what the best order of also-asked questions might be for certain queries... and the fast shuffling through offerings provide for quick and easy sampling.

The "People also search" results do seem to be getting more focused over time... and I need to check some test searches I'd set up way back to see what the changes are.

I've been noticing very recently, during the pandemic, that many state and local government sites are using FAQs as a lazy way of updating frequently changing information on their sites... ie, they are always expecting users to refer to the FAQ. They are not, though, always making this expectation explicit, and that, IMO, can lead to problems.

Perhaps users should assume that FAQs are must-reads... or sites should not assume that they are. I don't know... but the noindex might create problems for this particular way of updating information.

Robert Charlton

12:26 am on Apr 25, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Mod's note: I've expanded the title on this thread...
- from: FAQs hurt...
- to: FAQs hurt... and Google's "People also ask"


JS_Harris

11:40 pm on May 2, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Update: Several reputable sources smarter than I have reviewed the effect of FAQ-like sections appearing under results and confirm that A) they do help gain visibility in search as do many schema markups and B) they do reduce the amount of traffic a site receives as you would expect when user queries are answered right on the page. Review: [moz.com...]

... but it gets more interesting
Now these FAQ-like sections appearing under results can come from other sites even though tucked into your result. When that happens they do get a link containing their page title. 4 sections shown = links to 4 other sites with text from their sites, not yours. Collapsible.

.... it gets more interesting yet
Picture a traditional featured snippet complete with a row of images, a paragraph of text and a link to the source site that ALSO has 4 FAQ sections immediately below it featuring links to other people's content with other people's responses AND immediately under that a traditional "people also ask" section appears.

On laptop this covers a page and a half without ads. Obviously how Google displays information in featured sections is in flux right now. Who knows when it will change again.

FAQ schema allows for a link to be shown within it on search results. This could be gamed so be careful to keep things strictly related. Only link to authoritative pages, internal or external, in FAQ Schema.

Since it can be gamed it makes sense that Google places the answers from other sites there which you cannot game BUT... it's confusing to think the FAQ comes from the site in the results but you end up on another site when clicking. It's a bit messy right now. testing?

Mod feel free to ask for an example query via sticky. Note: this is not personalized results unless we get those now while logged out.

Robert Charlton

7:04 am on May 5, 2021 (gmt 0)

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JS_Harris, thanks for your follow-up and looking into this in more detail. I'm sorry at the moment that I don't have the bandwidth to check the examples you've volunteered... so I'm not precisely sure what you're seeing at the moment, but there's very recently been talk in a number of SEO blogs about embedded links spotted in Featured Snippets, which many SEO's assumed that Google was testing... and they didn't like it.

It turns out that these weren't a test... they were a bug, and I gather that Google is in the process of fixing them. Please check this article below to see if the description fits what you're seeing, and let us know. The author is Roger Montti (aka martinibuster), one of our mods....

"Google: Embedded Links in Featured Snippets is a Bug"
Roger Montti - May 3, 2021
[searchenginejournal.com...]

'Google confirms that embedded links within Featured Snippets is a bug and not a test'

...One search marketer called it “shady as hell.” But according to a statement from a Google spokesperson, that is a bug and not a feature. / The alleged test involved embedding links to more Google searches from within a website publishers content that is in the featured snippet.

Again, I can't quite tell if this is what you've described. If not exactly the same, it might be related. Please check it for details. Since the article is extremely short, I don't want to quote more than I have, or I'll end up cannibalizing the whole thing. Thanks for your continued feedback.

iamlost

9:31 am on May 5, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Test [noticed yes]
Test [concern above threshold]
Return bug;

Wait [time]
Run Test.

JS_Harris

1:23 pm on May 5, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I don't think it's a bug. Let me try to put this more simply.

Once upon a time we built websites until it became clear that we built webpages that each stood on their own in search. I think that just happened to pages and now sections of a page are no longer tethered to the article they came from in results.It's different than ranking a page for various queries because now just an answer to a query can show up for searches that the page it came from does not.

I do believe the net just expanded a great deal in a very granular way based on intent.

Robert Charlton

10:14 pm on May 5, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I don't think it's a bug.

JS... I'm not disagreeing with you. What I'm doing is to try to find out, in this case, first... what the antecedent of "it's" is... and we can go from there.

Put simply, is what Google is now claiming was a bug the same thing as what you were describing in your several very thorough posts?

We can then get into our long term axe-grinding about Google and these answer fragments of various kinds. I can remember the day when deep linking (not just by Google, but by anybody) was considered to be very rude, as deep links were felt to keep visitors away from navigating through your site... and I was somewhat sympathetic to that argument... so this is not a new discussion for me.

But first, is Google's "bug" what you were describing?

JS_Harris

1:12 pm on May 6, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I'm still seeing it so I don't think it's a bug, I'm not sure which bug you're referring too though.