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"ZOMBIE TRAFFIC" Separating fact from fiction & emotion

         

FishingDad

4:20 pm on Nov 10, 2015 (gmt 0)



This recent discussion about "ZOMBIE TRAFFIC" is just utter nonsense. What are people saying, anything worth while or just a communal <snip> because sales are down on the norm? The talk is firmly in the tin foil hat area.

Are you talking about SERPs, if so why, if your positions are dropping then that's that. If positions not dropping are you seriously saying Google is sending you people they know will not buy from you !? REALLY?!

Are you talking about PAY PER CLICK? if so then your talking possible click fraud then, aren’t you?

Giving any constant period on the internet, people buy or they don't buy and there's many many factors why they will one day and might not the next day.

[edited by: goodroi at 5:55 pm (utc) on Nov 10, 2015]
[edit reason] Let's be careful to keep the discussion on a professional level [/edit]

mosxu

2:35 pm on Feb 1, 2017 (gmt 0)

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@superclown2

You are making a very interesting point, I am disappointed that John Muller did not reply to Simon on zombies, he has been provided with enough details but nothing so far.

Good news more webmasters are waking up...

NickMNS

2:50 pm on Feb 1, 2017 (gmt 0)

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It is also very possible, and as described by Aristotle, that these bots don't actually come through Google at all, but simply report the referrer as Google. Giving the webmaster the impression that this is Google traffic when in reality it is direct traffic.

Also, if this bot-net bot traffic is in fact using Google and assuming that the bots behave just like users, (ie: make a query, click on link) then how could Google even detect with any degree of certainty that this is in fact bot traffic?

mosxu

3:47 pm on Feb 1, 2017 (gmt 0)

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@nick

interesting,
wonder how is the real human traffic disappearing when bot-nets are on? rankings are the same, ads are running, very strange

NickMNS

5:55 pm on Feb 1, 2017 (gmt 0)

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How do you differentiate between human and bot traffic? Clearly traffic that converts will be human, but human traffic may be present when bots are present, and human traffic may not always convert. So a situation may arise where both bots and non-converting humans are online giving the impression that only bots are present.

Assume a baseline of 100 human visitors, with a average conversion rate of 10% with a degree of variability such that on any given day you can have between 5 and 15 conversions.
Day 1 -> 100 human visitors, 10 conversions, 50 bots => perceived conversion rate = 10/150 = 6.66%, actual 10/100 = 10%
day 2 -> 100 human visitors, 15 conversions, 50 bots => perceived conversion rate = 15/150 = 10%, actual 10/100 = 15%
day 3 -> 100 human visitors, 5 conversions, 50 bots => perceived conversion rate = 5/150 = 3.33%, actual 10/100 = 5%

Based on the above example you your analytics misleads you into believing that your best day is day 2 and is only average, the other days are either really bad or just acceptable. I would also feel that something was very wrong on day 3, where did all the humans go?

But if you were able to filter the bot traffic, your perception would be much different. All three days would appear to be in normal range.

If bots are mixed in with human and we are unable to detect them, then there is real problem with making judgments based on our analytics (GA or otherwise).

Assuming bots bypass Google then Rankings should not be impacted, and even if the bots were to arrive from Google I am not sure if that would impact rankings. If there were an impact it would most likely be a positive impact on rankings (this is debatable). In regards to ads, again assuming that the bots are bot-net bots using or mimicking actual browsers then ad impressions should be unaffected, clicks or CTR on the other hand will be fall just like conversion rate.

Strange, yes I agree. But apparently plausible, [webmasterworld.com...]

jstacat

6:38 am on Feb 13, 2017 (gmt 0)

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After reading this thread, i thought of something. Google is focusing on mobile phones more, and more people are using them as their main internet access. Add auto correct to the mix, and the fact that mobile usage -decreases- a user's internet literacy, because, like twitter, transmitted/received info is very limited.
Its easy to see how a real person on a smartfone would act like [logs] a zombie.

To do a proper shopping excursion, one must have some time and be seated at a comfortable workstation. i do not waste time with smartfones, i get too little info for effort put in, and typing on one is just awful [farmer fingers]. Security is poor, thus serious shoppers do not rely on mobile.
In the future, mobile usage will be restricted when driving & walking, and the more intelligent users will notice a desktop is a far better shopping tool than mobile.

Here is where i found most of the 'zombies'....
I discovered that AAPL & Android have their own built in search apps/bots, as does F-book. These bots will take an accidental click or possibly an impression and keep searching it endlessly without further user input. Being # 1 on search results could get you on thousands of smartfones, and botted like mad. These search bots will dig up paid ads and click them. I decided to ban my ads showing to mobile traffic, because it is so low in quality & the weird poorly programmed bots they have.

Robert Charlton

9:08 pm on Apr 17, 2017 (gmt 0)

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Mod's note: We're locking this thread and moving on to a newer ongoing and active thread, which has been overlapping with this one for some time. Unfortunately, it's not possible to consolidate posts in both threads.

IMO, along with the inevitable noise, there's some excellent discussion here, most recently at roughly the end of January, 2017, and continuing on and off since, that sums up a range of opposiing theories extremely well. I mention it so it doesn't get lost in the huge volume of posts.

In particular, two posts by Shaddows at the end of January include some numbers and precise observations that might be helpful to anyone with enough traffic to observe zombies and traffic shaping with reasonable accuracy. I suggest that anyone who thinks they're seeing zombie traffic check out the patterns that Shaddows observes. Zombie traffic is not simply non-converting traffic... or it was not when initially discussed.

Zombie discussion now moving to...

Websites Affected By Zombie Traffic - Observations & Analysis
https://www.webmasterworld.com/google/4833885.htm [webmasterworld.com]

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