Why bother starting fresh with new domain . ?

[mike2010]

Often times, I see recommendations if a certain domain has been spammed to oblivion...the so-called seo expert then recommends to start completely fresh with a new domain.

My question is : What's the use when there's so many saboteurs these days ? (almost to a cult-like point in big markets like Web Hosting) Where the rich gang up on the poor and new.

I'm also still waiting for a response from Google , on preventing seo sabotage ? We've had this discussion here for years, with no answer. As anybody could simply spam to oblivion any new domain / competition. Throw thousands of negative backlinks on their domain... And use negative automated submission programs till they need another new domain to start fresh again...and again....and again...

Many long timers here have posted in the private google section, that they've tested it out recently and it still works...and is still a major problem.

When will it ever get attention ...? Or lets just continue sweeping it under the carpet.

The Rich and the Poor transition (no more middle class) isn't just occurring in the real world...but also in the e-world.

[aristotle]

From a long-term historical perspective, we are still in the very early years of the web. Unless the sky falls, or armageddon comes, a website launched today will be an "old" site 30 years from now. In my opinion there's still plenty of opportunity for creating new sites.

[mike2010]

I just don't understand why if a certain domain has 10+ years of existence , and mischievous webmasters spam the heck out of it.

Then, SEO experts recommend to the domain owner to start fresh with a new domain. How is it their fault, and who says the new domain won't be spammed to oblivion in the same manner ? Or maybe that's the only excuse they could come up with, to help the domain owner.

What's more troublesome is how Google never wants to answer the question as to how to deal with mischievous webmasters...or their victims. A lot of the time the victims get all the blame and penalizing...while nothing ever happens to the bad apples.

Google's stance for so many years now...is to either ignore the issue, or act like it's not even happening. Or the chance of it to occur is very slim.

Meanwhile, black-hat type businesses like this thrive behind the scenes. Where there's money from the rich, there's sabotage that could be done.

[aristotle]

If I understand you, you're saying that competitors are sabotaging your site's rankings by creating unnatural-looking backlinks to it.

We've already discussed this problem many times here, and as has often been pointed out, Google could fix it very easily by simply disregarding all suspected artificially-built or purchased backlinks? Evidently Google doesn't like that idea, and you can't control what they do. When they created the disavow links tool, they said it was intended for people who wanted to disavow backlinks they had created themselves. But it can also be used to disavow backlinks that your competitors create. So you might be able to use it to try to defend against the attempted sabotage.

Who would have thought, ten years ago, that anyone would ever find themselves in this kind of situation?

[Savanadry]

I keep seeing people moan about negative SEO, and yes it is a huge problem atm, anyone who says it isn't, is not really involved with websites, it's happening everywhere and it's getting worse.

As an old timer I find it odd people asking google to simply ignore links, as I remember when google DID ignore bad links, even up to 2 or 3 years ago nobody in their right mind would have used mass spam methods (negative SEO) against a competitor, simply because some of it would stick, and the rest would be ignored anyway. Just a waste of time and effort.

This was a much healthier approach to spam, webmasters could get on with creating and maintaining great sites, not chasing #*$! links from Russia.

Why did google drop it? Because they thought it would improve the search results? No, they knew it wouldn't, a 5 year old could have guessed what was going to happen.

IMO the only reason google didn't stay with this approach is because they were struggling with the sheer volume, and instead of admitting they had a problem to their superiors or shareholders they decided to shift the 'work' and blame to webmasters.

As for the 10 year old site which was number 1 for 10 years, google have shot themselves in the foot by removing it - those search results were the ones which made everyone love google. It's like G is now in black and white instead of technicolor, all the great independents with a fresh view have gone or are being abandoned and we are left with corporate sites with as much personality as a stick.

[NegSeoExists0]

what u are saying is 100% true

why u are hearing it is the reason that the top ignorants at the google forums keep saying that negative seo is impossible

so it can be only your fault so u can get a new fresh domain to fix

but it is so wrong

the only fresh domain fix can happen in this particular case
you dont have any enemy to do neg seo on you
you spammed yourself

so u can get a new fresh domain. otherwise it is just extremely dumb action


and one more thing. as for my personal experience disavow tool does nothing. i disavowed entire all crappy backlinks domains nothing happened.

used verified majestic seo , webmaster tools, bing webmaster tools

and i absolutely disavowed any non editorial backlinks

[NegSeoExists0]

Savanadry this new approach forces new fresh and small website owners to use adwords

because otherwise they have 0 chance to appear on search results

it is the whole story

[np2003]

My sites were victims of negative SEO. One was 13yrs old, another was 8yrs old. It was on page 1 for all its KWs. Our competitor bought thousands of links and sponsored wordpress themes and killed our top performing keywords. Google penalized us for those selected KWs only, which meant a loss of 80% of traffic. It's so pathetic. You can't explain it to the reinclusion request/web spam team because they're most likely all outsourced staff.

Anyone can do it and they only need to spend $200. They just goto fivr or blackha*world, spend $50 buying xrumer links. Goto DP forums, request for a few sponsored themes. Upload them to free wordpress sites. The site targetted will be nuked from Google within 6 months guaranteed. It works every, single time, unless the site is huge, e.g. Microsoft, Google, IBM, etc.

[mike2010]

This is why these forums are the best...open minded folks that know whats up, and speak the truth. Unlike the Google forums, where everybody tries to act like a professional / blame the webmaster...when they really aren't..

It's like G is now in black and white instead of technicolor, all the great independents with a fresh view have gone or are being abandoned and we are left with corporate sites with as much personality as a stick.

I'd make that my Sig if these forums allowed sigs..

Google's overall reputation of being there for entrepreneurs , individuals.....seems to be quickly going out the window....heavily favored by corporate and financial interests. The main reason why people initially fell in love with Google is how they offered so many premium features, softwares, programs = for absolutely free. They were the good guys, out of so many other crooked internet franchises.

Now things are going in reverse. Even YouTube lately...the last few months, I could barely find 1 clip without one of those annoying 30 second advertisements that you CAN't fast forward / skip past.

SEO wise ? just as bad. Individuals / Entrepreneurs = our days are over. The rich could hire as much help as they need from all over to get their sites back in the top 5. Whether they hire bad apples from Freelancer , or spend a boat load on white-hat techniques....or back to Freelancer / Black Hat World...to sabotage their competition = no problemo if they have the money.

what u are saying is 100% true

why u are hearing it is the reason that the top ignorants at the google forums keep saying that negative seo is impossible

so it can be only your fault so u can get a new fresh domain to fix

but it is so wrong

ty....and your forum name rules.

and np2003, it's amazing isn't it ? How Google doesn't recognize it's been ruining peoples businesses for so many years now, and still TODAY won't even acknowledge it....or will say it's a very 'isolated' problem.

It's utterly pathetic their denial , i've got more than 1 site that fell victim. And for over a year now, I can't get the hidden penalty lifted...whatever the penalty is. All I know is, I used to be #1 on page 1. Now i'm on page 45 somewhere. The 'penalty' that was done by saboteurs. The 'penalty' that I can't get any answers on...the 'penalty' that numerous SEO guys reviewed my site and can't find 1 reason why it's been thrown back to page 45. The 'penalty' that doesn't fall into their spam review submission process or whatever...because I pass that each and every time. (no spam on the domain ever detected) But meanwhile, i'm still back on page 45 somewhere....with no explanation and nobody to talk to about it.

Business was thriving, and now it's gone completely...and without any explanation. thx Google.