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Is A Social Media Profile Now Essential For Ranking Well in Google?
is the current reality that sites of any type need a social media profile to have a realistic chance at decent rankings
Would I "invest strongly in g+1?" No not at all. But I would (and have) invest heavily in Google+.
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But indirectly, social used well can build relationships that can help with links, content, and PR - plus a heap more. Don't forget email either. I'm sure there's some smart strategies out there that merge platforms and tactics together, which will also adjust according to the market.
It's more sustainable if done well, and consequently can assist brand building. Which is what Google most wants these days for sites to rank. It can show Google the real value of your relationships. And I think that sends the right signals.
The question in the OP is whether, in the current climate, a site needs to to have a social profile before Google considers it a serious site worthy to be considered for a top ranking.
The question in the OP is whether, in the current climate, a site needs to to have a social profile before Google considers it a serious site worthy to be considered for a top ranking.
Oh, no, netmeg you're talking marketing/business concepts rather than just SEO! We don't want to learn that stuff! ;)
How would the algo/bots know if you have a social media profile or not?
I thought social media "buzz" is supposed to happen naturally.
Google cannot measure something that doesn't exist.
- Google is unable to use Authorship as a ranking signal if important authors aren’t participating.
- Don’t get me wrong. Google still supports Authorship markup and there are clear click-through rate benefits to having an Authorship snippet on a search result. Even if you don’t believe me you should believe Google and the research they’ve done on social annotations in 2012 [static.googleusercontent.com...] and 2013 [www2013.org...] (PDF).
- Google knows users respond to Authorship.
- Authors are people are entities.
- Google+ is the knowledge graph of everyday people.
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So when I referred to @ marktraphagen earlier ( #msg:4619460 ) , conjointly with this, the pattern of demonstrated emphasis and the need to invest is getting clearer.
Will you rank now - No
Will you rank later - most probably Google Plus will contribute strongly to Trust / Brand - so Yes ( so invest - it's not going away. Google's search engine life will depend on a large component of social profiling of content )
And as part of building profile in B to C and B to B you cannot ignore Facebook , LinkedIn, Pinterest, Twitter, Email , Forums and so on as part of the mix.
Arguably, links from authority sources are an important part of social, they should be considered as "social link referrals". The fact that people are moving to mobile and some websites may not be updated as much, in favour of other communication development methods means that Google will have to go where the traffic and activity is, + where the $$'s are.
The web is becoming a lot more effective across diverse channels - it's important to embrace it, if resources permit.
Diversification of communication methods and the development resource across this are key challenges and I think Google knows that it cannot handle the old style of ranking for much longer on a reliable basis.
And smaller players [ they may feel ] are consequently even more challenged. How do you keep across all of this - I'd say impossible, so pick the things you can do well with. Even large organizations will somewhat choke on this.
That's why Brand / Panda / Penguin and Hummingbird are a "fallback" strategic play of underpinning the future. They planned for this a while back. But who knows what the next 5 years will bring as Ben Gomes VP of Search said back in December [youtube.com...]
Social is going where your target demographic is. Wherever that is.
@netmeg - always good at "hitting the nail on the head".
So social is key IMO . Because you must connect with your audience. And Google must measure that at some point in it's rankings. If they can't, then they will fall back on brand as they currently do, IMO.
Don't forget Google is in a big and expensive race for audience, content and advertising $$'s. Being effective across all areas is a big challenge on all levels. The SERP's can only respond to that, not lead it.
Is A Social Media Profile Now Essential For Ranking Well in Google?
[edited by: Webwork at 4:30 pm (utc) on Oct 29, 2013]
Is A Social Media Profile Now Essential For Ranking Well in Google?
Am I in the Google SEO forum still?
Don't see Google ever using social signals for ranking, unless they come from properties they own
If you invest sensibly in social profiling it won't go wasted IMO
One day all that collected information is going to be used by them
Google's Cutts: Links Still More Powerful Than Social Signals [youtube.com...]
Matt Cutts says links are still, for the foreseeable future, going to be a more powerful signal for search rankings than social signals.: [seroundtable.com...]source
Sure, for now. But be a step ahead. Make sure it's used by you to improve the relationship you have with your customer for a better experience. Put your customer first and ( indirectly ) rankings will follow.
Because it's been easy, many siteowners / webmasters and SEO's have not bothered to connect with their customers. People didn't count, only the numbers and $$'s did. Now the search numbers and $$'s have dropped through the floor over the last few years, there is an opportunity to harvest those leads and turn it around with signals leading to more traffic. ( Do we need to revisit what signals Google is picking up on - it's been mentioned 100's of times here on WebmasterWorld ). Focusing on social, harvested from SERP leads, that turn back around could be a good avenue. People need relationships that deliver value. Google is not good at that. But you could be if you really get to know your users well.
Somehow people power always wins through :)
Strategy is not always about immediate benefits like ranking.
To find out for ourselves, we started testing with about 10 of our clients back in Oct/Nov last year.