Frustrated with Google's ranking of new sites

[nippi]

Ok, so the payday loans genre is well known as a haven for black hatters where they.

a. Buy an aged, trusted domain.
b. 301 it to a paydayloans domain name.
c. bomb the paydayloans name with links from forums, blogs, junk articles - even outright site hacking.
d. Make hay whilst the sun shines, make a quick 5-6 figures till the domain is penalised. then start again.

I don't understand why google allows this to work. It would be so easy to stop.

a. Treat all links as spam until proven otherwise. Make the links pass a quality test before being counted.
b. Check backlink profiles of a site, separate direct links, from 301 links to another domain. Penalise the aged domain, if the site its 301ing to gets a bad link penalty.

I am now seeing this dreadful technique spread to other niches with high value affiliate/drop shop business models.

Oh please please please Google, sort yourself out.

[tedster]

Well, various kinds of "churn and burn" have been the standard in professional spam for a long time. Heck, even email spam still makes money, even with the top notch filtering available today.

I don't understand why google allows this to work. It would be so easy to stop.

I'd bet it isn't - even though I'm not sure why. Maybe part of the problem is that stopping webspam is only the secondary goal in Google Search. The main priority is locating the best, not stopping the worst.

[nippi]

Bet it isn't? Really?

I am talking about sites making it to top3 positions on the back of spun articles alone.

These are business, with no business directory listings.
All the links, are placed in a 5 day period, from 200 sites.
a full 40% of the links, are on articles that are not even spun, they are identical.
Pretty sure, I could write an algorythm that spots this.

Not stopping the worst? What then, is Panda and Penguin all about?

[crobb305]

this industry (and other forms of lending) has been the target of extremely aggressive backlink spam attacks which have caused aged domains to be penalized. If you look at the backlinks of some old domains in the financial sector, many have thousands of links that do an immediate redirect to some type of expert lender landing page (content cloaked to Googlebot, redirect seems to occur only upon clicking from a search engine). These spam links came with a very rapid acquisition rate prior to penalty. Meanwhile, the new domains that you speak of are rising to the top. Google has gotten it wrong on so many levels -- primarily their assumption of guilt where link acquisition is concerned, and their immediate ranking of brand new junk domains. The disavow tool is nearly impossible to use when you're dealing with thousands of spam links. Assuming you don't accidentally disavow some legitimate links, it could take weeks to sort through them and get it right. Google shouldn't be making this so difficult for the webmasters and so dangerous for the consumers.

[linkbuildr]

Me thinks Google is learning and allowing some more so it can identify link spam types and hit it quicker. It would also be hard to do so because then you could just as easily blow anyone out of the water with 25 bucks and Fiverr.