Lady_K I wasn't talking about my two websites that were affected. I meant That Google should scrap Penguin (in its current version) and start over from scratch creating a new version.
As for my two affected websites, I haven't made any changes to them at all, and don't intend to. And even though they were hit by the original rollout of Penguin, both of them still get far more traffic from Google than from Bing and Yahoo combined.
Yes, would be good for them to start over with a completely new version of penguin. If they did that and got it right this time, I'm pretty positive my site would be fine (along with many other sites).
I had planned to wait on the refresh, I'm just getting a little impatient
I can understand you're impatience, because the original rollout was in April, and the only "refresh' was in May. In my opinion the long delay is due to Google's realization that it didn't work as intended, and the amount of time and effort they're having to expend trying to fix it. But I doubt that they will ever be able to really fix it, which is why I suggested that they scrap it and start over from scratch.
@idolw, Google needs to offer a link disavow tool because it is clear that they are penalizing people for having certain backlinks instead of just ignoring or disregarding those links. (If they didn't penalize, then it's the same situation you described, people would throw a lot of links up to see what sticks).
Someone linked to 10 deep pages on my site on a message forum. The links are blogroll-style, but because it is a message forum, they appear on 25,000 different posts. That shows up as 250,000 links to my site from a single site. To top it off, the site is hosted on one of those generic message forum sites, which I have to believe must be a flag itself (i.e. the topic of the top domain is "forum" instead of "widget forum").
This message forum hasn't been used since 2009. I have tried contacting the forum owner but you can't get the information of the owner without joining, and you can't join without the forum owner's approval.
Are those 250,000 links to my site hurting me in Penguin's eyes? I have no idea, but I did not request that link, I didn't approve it, I don't need it, and I don't care to have it. I want to disavow it in the hopes that my penalty gets lifted. Why shouldn't I have an avenue to do this?
Finger crossed... I don't know with this data refresh my site will gain something. I hope... I have no idea what to do just because,sincerely, I don't know what I have done. I don't have backlinks (compared to my competitor, I am ridicolous), keyword stuffing or other similar amenities. Finger crossed.
Small changes..numbers in "results" for queries that I watch ( which had stabilised over the last two days after EMD , "images" and Panda ° are again falling/ fallen..but by much smaller percentages of the previous totals..
Some "shuffling" of one or two places up or down for some sites, from where those sites were at midnight Thursday..but nothing dramatic as happened during the seven to ten days previously..
Another "pre-sort" into sub sets..but with much finer tuning..
Of course YMMV..I don't look at all niche(s) ..but do look at a large number and variety, also outside my own..
So far ..had it not been announced officially by Matt Cutts ..most people IMO, would not have noticed..
It says its a data refresh, not an algorithm refresh. That means sites that had been doing the wrong thing but stopped will be helped. If you got hit by collateral damage, you're probably still out of luck.
How are you guys going about removing links? If it is on another site and have no control of the site what is there possibly to do other than email the owner and hope it gets there and is taken care of? As someone else mentioned either there should be a disallow or Google needs to pass a 0 value rather than negative - that seems like it would solve both sides of the problem - paid links are worthless and negative seo is worthless as well all while the actual site owner is unharmed.
Nothing here either. Time to just forget that 11 year old site I guess. I have disavowed some crappy links that I couldn't get rid of myself. I hold little hope of it ever coming out of the penalty now. I'm not giving up. Just run out of things to try
Whatever happened to the jarring and jolting Penguin 2 update :-/
If we get "jarring and jolting", all that could possibly happen is that the press releases proliferating in competitive sectors (30% to 40% of the top 100 on a competitive phrase I monitor) will either double or be eliminated (the latter might bode well for real websites). Jarring and jolting for the rest of us was when we were knocked out on April 24.