Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi

Message Too Old, No Replies

-50 Penalty Removed

         

Love2Blog

1:34 am on Jun 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I had 3 of my sites in a -50, these were my first websites and I had no clue what I was doing and so I engaged in various crappy link building tactics, crappy directory links, bought a couple of links, used recip link pages both on site and got them from other sites on their link pages, used crap blog networks, article marketing on turbo, getting tons of links from one identical article distributed to thousands of sites and the like.

Also, not knowing anything at the time, I got links in excessive rates, in one month I had gotten over 1000 links and most ALL externals were to the home page, barely any internal page links at all, nor very little variations of anchor text, so the link profile looked very manual and unnatural.

Symptoms at Time of Penalties
1. Everyone of these sites was page 5 or 6 for the tld without .com, so for example, bluewidgets was page 5 or 6, and these domain names were not common.

2. All 3 sites were ranking Page 1 (Google) for some time for their sitewide kw's, home page and several inner pages when penalty came.

3. Bing and Yahoo ranks not affected, ranked for several terms.

4. Once penalty hit, ALL kw terms, especially the home page/sitewide kws would not move past page 5, mostly jumped around pg 5 - 6.

5. PR had not changed for any of the sites, 2 were PR3 and the other PR2, then and now.

What I did initially:

1. I got rid of all on-site crap, recip links pages, overdone internal links, footer link to home page with keywords, most all home page links on the site that had sitewide anchor.

2. Also a couple of these sites interlinked and so I set those links to nofollow, eventually I deleted them all together. (these sites are same IP)

3. I could not get rid of most of the external crap links, but I got rid of a few.

4. One of the sites was a blog, so I got rid of most of the blogroll, just kept a few good recip links.

5. Added some fresh unique content, (which all these sites all ready had) but I added more.

6. Then I left them alone, stopped building links of any kind, but kept adding content to all of them.

These penalties happened in late 2008 and just 2 weeks ago, around June 5, 2011 one site recovered on its own.

1. Initially when penalty lifted the home page of this site was on page 1 for main site wide kw's (2 of them) for about 2 weeks, now fallen to pg 8 or so, of course due to not having any fresh quality links.

2. Ranks #1 for tld without .com

3. Inner pages jumping, around pg 2, 3, 11, 8.

So, in my case it took over 2.5 years for the penalty to lift on its own, the other 2 sites still penalized.

In my case the only explanation was crappy backlinks, and lots of them.

On site SEO I do not think was as significant, all though the useless recip links pages might have had some impact, but I still see site after site with 4-6 pages of recip links and not penalized, so, I believe that in main part crappy links, ineffective manual link building and overall unnatural link profiles were the culprit for this penalty, in my case anyway.

I never asked for reconsideration, at the time I had no clue why it happened or what I did, it's only now that I have experience that I understand the whole picture much better, so I really had nothing to say to Google.

I hope this helps someone, the news is not great I know, ie: 2.5 years

Love2Blog

1:54 am on Oct 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



@Love2Blog you never request to remove the crappy links from the third sites?


Not sure what you mean by third sites? I could not remove any of the crappy links, they were from automated article marketing softwares, directories, and other such crap.

Whitey

3:22 am on Oct 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



Love2Blog - looks consistant with what I've seen, and 3rd party crap links on different IP's are going to be a nightmare to remove if not impossible.

I guess the options are :

- wait 2+ years ( receive the minimal benefit from Bing / Yahoo )
- submit a reconsideration request, disclosing the error of judgement and inability to remove the links, asking Google to remove the effect of those links ( may lead to the wrong links being discounted as well ) or nothing at all
- 404 all the pages receiving those links, and build new ones without redirects ( potentially the domain will have been penalised and this action may not work )
- never, ever do high volume articles or blog campaigns with links again. Google may interpret them as spammy, even if they are not.

martinacastro

4:12 am on Oct 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



@Love2Blog, I mean with third sites as 3rd party sites (as Whitey describes)

About my minus 50 penalization, at the end of august lookin in GWT I had 5000 links from one site. I request to deleted them without success, and in the first week of september the links number of that site climbed to 13000! of 30000 (according GWT),so 45% of my links are/were from one site... After sending 30 emails the owner deleted the links, that heppened 3 weeks ago, and now google shows me 12k of links from that site...

I have also 2 more sites that Iam asking to delete their links but without success, Im still sending emails to them.

Love2Blog

4:54 am on Oct 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I guess the options are :

- wait 2+ years ( receive the minimal benefit from Bing / Yahoo )
- submit a reconsideration request, disclosing the error of judgement and inability to remove the links, asking Google to remove the effect of those links ( may lead to the wrong links being discounted as well ) or nothing at all
- 404 all the pages receiving those links, and build new ones without redirects ( potentially the domain will have been penalised and this action may not work )
- never, ever do high volume articles or blog campaigns with links again. Google may interpret them as spammy, even if they are not.


All good options, I just waited it out, and learned a tough lesson, I do things much differently now.




@Love2Blog, I mean with third sites as 3rd party sites (as Whitey describes)

About my minus 50 penalization, at the end of august lookin in GWT I had 5000 links from one site. I request to deleted them without success, and in the first week of september the links number of that site climbed to 13000! of 30000 (according GWT),so 45% of my links are/were from one site... After sending 30 emails the owner deleted the links, that heppened 3 weeks ago, and now google shows me 12k of links from that site...

I have also 2 more sites that Iam asking to delete their links but without success, Im still sending emails to them.


Oh okay, yes I could not remove any of them, and so I just waited out my penalty.

You sound like you have a good chance at reconsideration. I would contact Google and show them the documentation of all your contacts and see what they say.

zeus

9:16 am on Oct 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I still dont see any signs that link exchange is bad for a site, ALL (100%) of the sites in a category that are on page 1-3 have more then 50 link exchanges. I think I have 4, just a note.

driller41

1:10 pm on Oct 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



If you are thinking you have to wait 2.5 years to get out of a minus 50 penalty you are way off the mark.

diberry

3:37 pm on Oct 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Just FYI - Either all my sites are penalized (which I see no indications of), or Sgt_Kickaxe's Webmaster Tools test has been fixed. All my sites remain in there, ready to be re-verified. Has anyone else checked this recently?

Whitey

9:02 pm on Oct 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



If you are thinking you have to wait 2.5 years to get out of a minus 50 penalty you are way off the mark.

Can you elaborate ? What's your experience ?

martinacastro

11:08 pm on Oct 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



diberry

which post you mean about>
Sgt_Kickaxe's Webmaster Tools test has been fixed

diberry

11:34 pm on Oct 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I don't know how to link, but it's message #:4325179 on the first page of the thread.
This 40 message thread spans 2 pages: 40