How long before new website appears in Google SERPS? (post-Panda)

[Panthro]

I remember being very surprised at the speed in which new websites would appear in Google SERPS immediately post-Caffeine. I think it would take about 1 week from the day the site was created until getting a strong page 1 result. After the initial strong SERP showing, I would see the site shuffle back down into the SERPs at a more predictable position. Bing and Yahoo would take a little longer - about 2 weeks if I remember correctly.

Well, recently I've created 3 new websites, all in the same niche and very similar to some other sites I'm running which were NOT affected at all by these latest Panda and other updates. Well over 1 week has gone by and the sites are nowhere to be found in Google's SERPs. On the other hand, it took Bing, Yahoo, DDG about 1 week on the dot to produce the page 1 SERP.

I know there's been talk about caching all over the boards, but has anyone experienced any different treatment of new websites post Panda & other recent updates?

[tedster]

I've still been hearing of rapid inclusion for brand new sites, even as recently as May. Doesn't mean you can depend on it, I guess, but it still does happen.

[ken_b]

I realize that getting indexed and getting a decent spot in the serps are entirely different things, but indexing comes first of course.

June 3 I bought a new domain name.
June 4 I loaded an index page to the server.
June 5 the page got indexed.

I placed NO links to this new site. I'm guessing G followed some info from the "new registrations" list, or?

[I guess it's off topic, but I also do not have the Google toolbar, and I only allow G cookies when I want to log into some G service. ]

[Whitey]

From what i can see , generally very quickly. Placeholder pages under domain specific searches are coming in quickly as well - maybe 2-3 days on average using a search of "domain.com". So indeed, links don't seem to matter to index any more. Happy days.

Mid last year I saw small sites ranking in days with unique content. Nothing appears to have changed. But I'm not sure about large sites though. They always worry me as rarely do they have 100% unique content.

I guess it all boils down to "trust elements".

[netmeg]

I launched two sites over Memorial Day weekend; one went right in and shot to the top; I messed up the url structure on the other one and Google is just now starting to index the (fixed) site. It *seemed* slow cause I was in a hurry, but in reality, they were both pretty darn quick.

[Panthro]

Correction - I created 7 total sites and today I noticed that Google would finally return 2 of the sites when searching for "http://www.domain.com" or "domain.com". But there is no cached version available for either of the 2 sites. The "Cached" link is there, but clicking on it does not return any documents.

Immediately after creating the sites, I blogged about them on a Blogger site and Facebook'ed one of them. Google is returning the Blogger and Facebook results in SERPs. The Blogger entry was indexed almost immediately.

I'm wondering if trust factor is even more important these days and these sites will not shoot up until I get more links to and mentions of them.