Trying to fix Panda got me more pandalized

[whatson]

My site had significant duplicate content, copied from many other sites creating a consortium of information useful to the visitor.
Obviously this site was hit by Panda, however, since removing all the content (600 or so pages), my site is now even more Pandalized, my positions have sunk even further and my traffic has taken a bigger dive.
Could this be that I have 600 pages indexed in Google that no longer exist? Should I wait until these pages are out of the index to make foregone conclusions?
I have also removed every ad from the page too.

[Leosghost]

copied from many other sites creating a consortium of information useful to the visitor.

(600 or so pages)

every ad

Did you have permission from these other sites ( presumably the copyright holders ) for these copies ?

If not ? ..pandalizing your site sounds exactly what panda was supposed to do.

[Shatner]

If he did have permission, how would Panda know the difference?

It wouldn't.

[Leosghost]

If the cop doesn't catch you taking what isn't yours doesn't mean you didn't take it.

Likewise just because you don't get pulled over in 9 years for doing 100 in a 50 zone every day doesn't mean you were not speeding.

Not getting caught if you are doing wrong, doesn't make it right.

[supercyberbob]

My opinion is that this Panda, however cute, will not snuggle and listen to you talk about your feelings after it has poked you in the bum.

You have been used. The dirty bear got what it wanted. Asking it "what else can I do for your dear?" won't get you anywhere.

[whatson]

I think you missed the point. I understand that I was in full Panda violation with the "copy written" material. What I am stating is that after removing said material, along with all my ads, my rankings dropped even farther.

[aristotle]

From what I've read, when you make big changes to a site, usually Google's initual reaction is to temporarily drop its rankings. Until the site can be re-evaluated. Maybe that's what happened in your case.

[Leosghost]

Missing no point all at ..why because you remove content that wasn't yours should you get any "brownie points" and any rankings back ?

You need to make sites with only your material on ..then wait maybe a very long time to see if they rank on their own merits..you could have taken material from any one of us here and we would not know ..and you are saying that because you took it off after panda caught you for "dupes" ( and not forgetting the sites that you took it from may also have been hit by panda for "dupes" ) that your slate should be wiped clean and you should rise again because it should all be forgotten fast so as to preserve your earnings ? ..Sheesh!

You will have lost all the inbounds to the copied material you had ..so you need to make new material of your own ..and wait for links..or get them..and wait for them to affect your rankings ..your new "slimmer" site apparently doesn't rank even to its previous levels on its own merits as it is now.

At least some people will be saved the time writing DMCA's ( and take downs to you and your hoster )and maybe they might start to rank better gradually for their own material.

[whatson]

Well actually the site was ranking well on its own, and I recently added these pages. It is a travel site, for a particular city, and I decided to add a directory of restaurants, but used the content from the restaurants' sites. It was the best restaurant directory for that city on the web.
Now the pages are removed, I await the necessary kudos. The site is also over 10 yrs old, and has had these rankings for as long as Google.

[mslina2002]

Perhaps you need to look at what is remaining and see if what is remaining has any value or originality to begin with.

600 pages is not much. However if your site is 601 pages, then yeah. I have many times that amount de-indexed postpanda and my traffic has bounced back up. However, I left my content untouched as it was all original.

So start by looking at your site and perhaps work on your content, site structure and linking. Your drop in ranking makes me think that you had some link juice to those 600 pages that may have helped your rankings.

[Leosghost]

Perhaps you need to look at what is remaining and see if what is remaining has any value or originality to begin with.

So start by looking at your site and perhaps work on your content, site structure and linking. Your drop in ranking makes me think that you had some link juice to those 600 pages that may have helped your rankings.

I thought I just said that above?

10 year old sites have been hit ..age is not a protection ..plus if you were ranking well without the copied stuff ..why fix what wasn't broken..putting in 600 new pages of your own material ..original written reviews or descriptions of the restaurants might have kept panda off you ..

Adding 600 pages of other peoples material got the pandas attention ..and probably harmed the innocents restaurant sites that you took it from too

[walkman]

Missing no point all at ..why because you remove content that wasn't yours should you get any "brownie points" and any rankings back ?

What's done is done, permission or no permission.

If the page was pandalized because of X, and X is removed why is the rank going lower?

My guess is that Google is ignoring changes and still working on the initial (bad) score as it tightens Panda. And you have lost any traffic from the now removed pages.

[whatson]

I have lost little traffic due to the removed pages, are they never really ranked initially, it was more just a useful feature for my visitors.
But my positions dropped even lower than initially, just trying to fix the site.

[indyank]

Adding 600 pages of other peoples material got the pandas attention ..and probably harmed the innocents restaurant sites that you took it from too

that is the biggest issue I am seeing with panda...

whatson, don't expect any immediate results.How long had it been since you removed those pages? You have done the right thing by removing the copied stuff.

But bringing it back isn't going to help your cause.You probably built links to those pages and you are loosing them too.Did you link to these pages from your original stuff, if any? If yes, have you removed them?

[whatson]

The pages wouldnt have built any links, they were not up long enough. I will continue to update my findings. I am hoping that when those pages are out of the index, then it might return to normal.