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veteran seo people also know that pagerank is not worthless. as a veteran i want my site to have pagerank to make it easier for me when i deal with link exchanges.
Untrusted sites are most likely to experience either a delay in updating or dampening of their tbar pr.
The PageRank which we use internally is continuously updated, so even if you're not seeing a PageRank in your Toolbar, rest assured that we'll be treating your site accordingly regardless, and will crawl, index and rank your websites appropriately.
We do update the Toolbar PageRank regularly, even if that's not as regularly as some of you wish. I agree that it would be nice to have it updated more frequently. Given the time since the last update, I imagine you'll start seeing another one in the near future.
If anything, his coment "given the time since..." reinforces the idea that PR has not been exported to the toolbar for a long time.
internetheaven, have you forgotten that PR is calculated on a logarithmic scale ? therefore its not rocket science to conclude that higher PR sites are significantly less likely to see any change.
It's a signal, it's not the only signal
I'll ask, would you not agree that quality factors should be considered in the toolbar pagerank update process?
... hopefully you aware of the reasons why google doesn't remove it?
Reno: Much like an entertainment site posting the "best 10 movies of the year"
The first iteration which proposed that each link is a vote for the page failedNo it didnt. It brought about arguably the biggest success story in internet history.
did not take into consideration if the linking page was relevant to the linkedTrue. They did that with semantic analysis, which accounts for a big chunk of the other 400 factors. Its big issue was the "random surfer" concept, which has now been refined to the "reasonable surfer" model, which would be fantastic, if SEOs and link traders didn't start distorting the graph.
One could get more "link juice" from a high PR, not relevant link than you could from a low PR relevant linking page. (All else being equal).Still can. Thus, high PR pages get outranked by low PR pages, cos the low PR has got relevant links. PR and link quality are SEPARATE SIGNALS.
That was the old formula and it was changed in the Mayday update.<snip> The old formula was random surfer, the new is resonable surfer, and it has been refined over 10 years. Mayday seems to have been about introducing branding signals while lurching towards Minty Fresh. G did it on the knowledge that Caffeine (which was launched more or less immediately afterwards) would allow them realtime analysis and tweaking to perfect the new balance, which was pretty unstable to start.
Lots of people missed it but Google told Vanessa Fox when she pressed for more infoAnyone who missed it deserved to. Of course, that doesnt mean to say any answer is actually complete and accurate.
"Rankings" meaning PageRank<snip>No. Rankings meaning what is normally referred to as an "algo" change. However, in the context of that discussion, precise teminology was required. Algo covers THE WHOLE PROCESS, ranking is about sorting sites by defined criteria.
"Indexing" meaning SERPs<snip> Indexing means the process of marking up pages such as they are accessible by the ranking criteria in real time. For context, Caffiene was about crawling (getting raw data) and indexing (making sense of that data), while Mayday was about deciding which of the indexed pages got returned for any particular query.
The new PR algo assigns PR "link juice" based on the relevance between linked and linking pagesNo, PR is all about reasonable surfer, and has nothing to do with semantic analysis. The semantic factors analyse relevance.
It looks to not consider the PR of the linking pageWHAT? What can that possibly mean? The PR algo doesnt take account of PR? <snip>
I built a new SEO site in Feb last year
At the time of the change I had 115 links to my site. 1 link was on my DCP business page (PR3), another was on a SEO forum post, (PR5) and 113 were on group SEO discussions in LinkedIn. All of the LI posts were on PR0 pages but 100% relevant. (Currently this has built to 487 links and my PR is still 4.)Quick translation: "I noticed that TBPR does not add up when considered in the round. From this I deduce that TBPR is gospel, and the algo has changed. It cannot possibly be that TBPR is fiction and real PR carries on using the well-understood (if not precisely defined) reasonable surfer model."
As my PR3 site had over 5 times the amount of links than my new PR4 site, something changed in their algoSee above.
I think the scheduling of the PR updates have been removed from one of a batch process to one of an individual nature as defined by the Caffeine update.Er, yeah. Poor timing, but have you seen
I have seen a few people reporting PR updates but only as individuals. The hue and cry that accompanies a batch process has not been seen.
PR is still a minor SERP influence. The number of links and their "quality" does not influence SERPs in any measurable fashion.Totally agree. PR is one factor out of hundreds, and is easily overcome by a whole host of other things.
(I had a search term in #1 on my PR0 site and the #2 and #3 sites were PR5 and PR8 (58,000 links and 277,000 links respectively).
I expect this to change when Google determines that Relevant (Capital R), linking PR considerations are eliminating the paid & non relevant links, the linking schemes, and perhaps even the whole nofollow/follow problems.<snip>
Perhaps once the link spam world realizes that only the relevant links get any link love a whole generation of spammers will disappear.If only...
One thing that G has told us is that PR determines how often your site will be visited by the Google bot.Crawl schedules are now substantially more refined than that. Including such factors as how often the page actually updates, and the rate that new pages are added to domains. Minty Fresh is the new authority. Possibly.
The higher the PR the more often the bot visits.
The more often the visits the fresher your content
The fact that the PR tool bar is not always current means little as long as it does get updated. It is still a measure of authorityNot sure if this ties with your original position, but fine. Its good shorthand, if you undertand its many limitations.
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