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Problem with homepage - no exact phrases are ranking

         

livkill

2:13 pm on Nov 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

If i copy/paste any phrase in to google i wont get any result.I know you are tented to say that the problem is lack of content,but i dont think this is the case because it doesn't rank at all.Just copy/paste in to google a phrase from my homepage and you will see my problem.

You can find any page from the website in SERPs,except the homepage,that can be found in yahoo,bing...but not google.If i copy/paste any phrase from the website(not homepage) into google then the website will apper,copy/paste any phrase from the homepage and the site wont apper.

Thanks.

HuskyPup

4:42 pm on Nov 13, 2009 (gmt 0)



copy/paste any phrase from the homepage and the site wont apper.

What does appear?

Anything remotely similar, plagiarised or nothing related at all?

livkill

2:27 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Nothing related at all.The thing is that my homepage doesn't rank for any phrase.All other pages from the site do.

The site is on-line from may this year,and from the beginning it didn't rank with the homepage.

[edited by: tedster at 4:26 pm (utc) on Nov. 16, 2009]

TheMadScientist

4:30 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Have you tried looking deeper into the results?

My guess is it shows somewhere in the top 1000 (and possibly in the top 200 if you hit the right datacenter) and I would seriously concentrate on links if you want to move up in the rankings... The site's only been online since May this year and IMO it's likely you're trying to compete with older much more well established sites.

[edited by: TheMadScientist at 4:36 pm (utc) on Nov. 16, 2009]

Receptional Andy

4:35 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)



The thing is that my homepage doesn't rank for any phrase.All other pages from the site do.

So you have the same text repeated across multiple pages?

If that's the case, then the search itself is showing you that for those phrases Google considers other pages to be more relevant.

What happens if you search for text that is unique to the homepage?

livkill

7:19 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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The exact same thing,the homepage doesn't apper.

[edited by: Receptional_Andy at 7:25 pm (utc) on Nov. 16, 2009]
[edit reason] No specifics, thanks [/edit]

TheMadScientist

8:11 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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You might consider reading my previous post again very carefully, and reading between the lines a little bit when you do...

It appears to me one of your posts may have been snipped or edited, but if I happened to read it before it was and I was guessing with a fair degree of accuracy I would say your homepage could be found at position 127 (or so) on some data centers. (Hypothetically of course.)

My guess is the problem you are having finding your site is you just don't rank very well and you're not looking deep enough into the results. (It's just a guess mind you, and another guess I would make is where it shows could depend on what data center you hit while searching.)

Have you tried doing a site:example.com search to make sure your home page is listed first?

(I would guess it is, but if you're not already, you might want to get in the habit of checking when you think something could be wrong, sometimes it can be a cue to look a bit deeper into your site, or sometimes it can help you determine you just don't rank very well and to find your site you need to look deeper into the results, rather than deeper into an onsite issue.)

If you happen to be in a competitive niche and think you're going to be in the top ten after only 6 months of having a site, IMO you're sorely mistaken, unless you have a large steady backlink growth rate.

Have you looked at the sites in the top ten of whatever market you're competing in and checked their backlinks, site age, etc. to see how your site compares?

Do you know who your competition is and what they are doing?

Have you looked to see who owns the sites in the top ten positions of whatever market you are in to get an idea of who you might be competing against?

If you haven't I would suggest you do, because if it's a competitive market you could be competing against sites like wikipedia.org, about.com, amazon.com or other major sites that span a wide range of niches and markets as well as some 'smaller' sites that are over 3 years old, which, if that's the case, would make you the definite underdog.

Really, if your site is in a competitive market, you've probably got your work cut out for you to make it into the top ten.

Here's a few more questions to ask yourself:
How many links do you have on your home page?
(Is it enough to 'bleed' PageRank?)

How much text do you have compared to the links you have?

How much text do you have on the home page compared to the other pages on your site that rank?

How many links to you have on the pages that rank compared to the home page?

I think the best advice I can give you is:
Build backlinks and content...

livkill

10:19 am on Nov 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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First of all i will like to thank you for this awesome answer.
The homepage it's not in top 1000

"Have you tried doing a site:example.com search to make sure your home page is listed first?"

Yes,is listed.

Top 10?i want to be top 1000 for the moment and then will see...

"How much text do you have on the home page compared to the other pages on your site that rank? " - less

"How many links to you have on the pages that rank compared to the home page? " -do you mean backlinks?if so homepage has about 70 backlinks,while other pages 5....1...or none.(not including the links from this website)

Robert Charlton

10:23 pm on Nov 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

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"How much text do you have on the home page compared to the other pages on your site that rank? " - less

Give or take a few dozen words, how much less?

Let's count "paragraph text" that's unique to the home page, not otherwise in your page template.

CainIV

4:15 am on Nov 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Exact same issue here. Spoke to Matt Cutts at Pubcon about it. He was perplexed by the issue and is looking into it, and thought that it was a data problem in terms of how the index page of the website was indexed and stored.

What is very interesting about our phenomenon is that the homepage ranks for "some" terms even though there is no text from the homepage that can be copied and pasted in quotes!

Did this issue happen to you within the last 3 weeks?

If you are experiencing the same phenomenon, let me know. If I get some answers, I can refer you in that direction

- Homepage: listed position one in site:mywebsite.com search

- Ranks for some very obscure terms

- No results for any unique content from homepage pasted in results in quotes

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