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PR Update - again?! 23 June, 2009

     
9:13 pm on Jun 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Huh, I'm expieriencing a new PR-Toolbar-Update - 26 days after the other?! Well, it's defenetly something changing here.
9:52 pm on June 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Some details, please. Are you seeing a new home page pr? Internal pages with new PR? Up or down? Newly created pages showing PR?
10:39 pm on June 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I just took a quick look at two sites, both have had a change in homepage PR according to my usual sources.
10:57 pm on June 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Indeed. Matt Cutts on PageRank Changes [webmasterworld.com], a topic started on June 16, is showing a PR5.
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From what I've read, Google is showing the updated pageranks more often now. They have always been updated within Google fairly often, but are being presented to the public more often as well now, correct me if I'm wrong.
12:55 am on June 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I have noticed PR changes on 8th of May, 19th of May, 28th of May and now 23rd of June.

In all these the home page PR stayed the same, but the internal page rank changed. It kind of got "re-distributed" and I noticed quite a bit of jumping around. For example:

(in order of 8 May, 19th May, 28th May, 23 Jun):

Page "A" ==> 2, n/a, 2, n/a
Page "B" ==> n/a, 2, 2, n/a
Page "C" ==> n/a, 3, n/a, 3
Page "D" ==> n/a, n/a, 3, n/a

In general, the internal pages PR on 19th and 28th of May was "stronger", than what it is/was on 8th of May and now on 23rd of June.

It is almost as on 23rd of June the internal pages PR went "back" to 8th of May, but with slightly different distribution across internal pages.

This is a site we haven't been doing too much lately with regards to either link building or new pages - there have been 6 new pages added since beginning of May (the site has 180 pages in total).

However, our SERPS position and traffic did not change.

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A new page which we added in the main navigation 2 weeks ago has a PR 4 now while another page went from PR 5 to 4
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Sorry, for beeing imprecise: I was so stunned that I just didn't believe it ;-) It's everything: New pages from about 2 weeks ago got PR, and the PR is changing on existing pages as well - main-pages and internal pages.

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But the visible PR gets stranger and stranger.

In the past, you could say: If I got 1 or 2 PR5-Links, my page will get PR4, and all the internal pages from that will get PR3.

Now I tought the visible PR depends on the content as well, like pages with a lot of linking outside get less visible PR or pages with little or no text at all get less visible PR, too.

But now I got blank pages which got more PR on the same site as pages in the same level, but with high-quality content. The only different is that the blank page is a bit older then the content pages.

So any ideas what goes into the calculation of the visible these days?

7:10 am on June 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Now I tought the visible PR depends on the content as well

PR is not dependent on content, it depends on incoming links. And even if a page has MANY outgoing links, those links do not diminish the PR of the page itself.

There's a decent page in our Hot Topics area [webmasterworld.com], with the essential PageRank FAQs [webmasterworld.com]. Yes, the finer points of PageRank have been changing since the date of that thread, but the core concepts are still the same.

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Confirmed....New site launched 1 month ago has PR of 2.
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PR is not dependent on content, it depends on incoming links. And even if a page has MANY outgoing links, those links do not diminish the PR of the page itself.

I know the core concepts of PR, but the question is: Why is it not working anymore at least for the visible PR for some time how it used to?

For example, you got a page with PR4, you sould get something like:
Mainpage: PR4
- Internal-page 1st level:PR3
- Internal-page 1st level:PR3
- Internal-page 1st level:PR3
- Internal-page 1st level:PR3
- Internal-page 1st level:PR2

Now it's something like:
Mainpage: PR4
- Internal-page 1st level:PR gray
- Internal-page 1st level:PR3
- Internal-page 1st level:PR1
- Internal-page 1st level:PR2
- Internal-page 1st level:PR0

The question is: Why? I found that pages with a lot of outgoing links often get a "PR gray" - I assume it's some measure to prevent link-exchange. So my guess is that google is somehow shaping the visible PR, perhaps to manipulate webmasters how they work with there pages.

11:15 am on June 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Same here. Is TBPR going 'live'?
6:41 pm on June 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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PR is live BEFORE it it goes to the toolbar.
10:53 am on June 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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< the following 4 posts were moved from another location >

Just noticed today one of my site page rank updated from 2 to 3. Rest of my sites rank remained intact. Wondering whats behind that?

[edited by: tedster at 6:49 pm (utc) on June 24, 2009]

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Ahhh one of my sites has gone from PR4 to PR3, traffic has been heavily dropping over the last few weeks also after the last official update. Hope it is just a short term adjust.
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thought i am special :)
11:14 am on June 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Yup, jumped from zero to four. Brilliant!
9:54 pm on June 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Confirmed. Interesting, considering Google's stance on the importance of the toolbar export (little to none)

Could it be a previous error in pr calculation internally, and now the toolbar is exporting the correct evaluation?

2:53 am on June 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Very strange. My site has been PR4 for about four years. The other day I noticed it had dropped to 3. Today it's back at 4. I also see that other sites in my niche which had dropped a point are back where they were.

A change in ranking for one of my top key phrases, from #6 to #12. I think it's temporary, though, as the sites on the first page are garbage that's probably part of a Google experiment.

11:47 am on June 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Hi dickbaker, when you mention your site dropped from PR4 to PR3, for how long did this drop last?
2:59 am on June 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I don't know when the drop happened, but I noticed it maybe five days ago. It could have been at PR3 for a week.

I checked the Google Directory, and that's still showing a PR3. None of this affected rankings or referrals from Google, though.