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12:46 pm on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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hello all,

Today is the worst day of my life, my site dropped from google completely ... i've experienced some permanat banns before for my other websites

But believe me my site is very unique and original and i guess that it is very well optimized.

i've noticed something that could be related to this issue, i've checked my site & it was down i couldn't figure out how long it went down.. but i am sure that it is no more than 4 hours !..

Now the question is, did google remove the whole of my site just for being in 404 for a while ?

please help me ...

8:03 pm on June 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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When googlebot discovers that a server isn't responding they do somtimes remove the domain from the results completely, until they verify that the server is stably responding again. It's not a permanent condition by any means.
9:08 pm on June 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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No ! it is a permenant ban, finally google notified me, they told me(through my webmaster tools center "this site may be violating google's quality guidelines")

it was a RED message at the top of my center, nice huh ?!
I submitted a reconsideration request, but untill now i don't know what violates with their guidelines..

i think that googlers just don't want anybody to cross the line of $250/site a day.. this is the criteria of google...

it is the second ban for me.. they don't want me to cross that amount, knowing that all of my website pages are 100% unique & 100% SEO'd.

thnx again.. life is a school
don't deal with google adsense .. this is my advice

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First, a belated welcome to the forums.

There's no correspondence between the complete ban of a site from the organic index and Adsense earnings. Your site has done something that Google feels violates their guidelines - and usually a complete ban involves trying to game backlinks in some way. What they call "sneaky redirects" may also play into the picture

They may be right or wrong in your case - but if the site matters to you, you should track down what might be causing this offense and try to fix it, or at least understand it for your future efforts.

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Hi tedster,

Thnx for your quick reply... amazing forum :).

you might be right, but the only thing that i am not sure about is; if it a case of linking, why it gone banned permanently ?

at most it could be penelized, right ?

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Why are you assuming that this ban is "permanent"?
9:58 pm on June 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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hi again,
i've checked the following :
1-info:mysite.com ----> givs nothing ...
2-site:mysite.com ----> giving no results...
2-link:mysite.com ----> giving only external links... no internal links...

Is this A permanent ban?

10:15 pm on June 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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"Permanent" would mean that the ban cannot be reversed. Yes, your site is currently banned, but that doesn't mean it's permanent.
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thnx tedster.. i've got it...

but how long it takes to figure out whether its permanent or not ?

thnx again

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i think that googlers just don't want anybody to cross the line of $250/site a day.. this is the criteria of google...

Google wants people to use Adsense and make money...because it makes Google money. So that's obviouslyt not the reason.

If your site was banned from the search engine for being down, then you'll be back. Considering you still have your Adsense account, it's likely that it isn't your website material that got you in trouble. Keep your site up and running and don't blame Google for your problems. They give you your traffic and make you money.

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yes, you are absolutely right... people tend to blame each other :)

Now... the first day passed & still banned.

but there are a little confusing thing here in my log file, google crawler still crawel my site, it also craweld my site CSS.. is it possible to be a regular penalty ?

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Google usually continues to craw penalized and banned sites. But your description does indicate a ban. For a penalty you would still see results for site:example.com
8:00 am on June 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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A few things to note
1) Google generally penalises these days. For a ban, you must be doing something really wrong. You should know what it is, and you should give up any notion that Google somehow wont notice it.
2) For such things, it will take a while to be lifted. Length will depend on the seriousness of trangression, and speed of fixing.

I would really analyse WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WRONG. Then I would focus on FIXING IT. Only after you have done that, file a reconsideration request outlining the changes made.

Then wait 30 days.

You will likely be unbanned, but with depressed ranking (as per a penalty), with ranking coming back over time. Think 3-6 months.

Times are indicitive only. You may be lucky, and get unbanned in a day, and recover in a week. Or you might take 6 months to be unbanned and never recover. On bans and penalties, everyone's miles seem to vary.

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*** I submitted a reconsideration request, but until now I don't know what violates with their guidelines..

Never submit a reconsideration request until you have fixed the issue that triggered the ban.

*** it is the second ban for me.. .. .. all of my website pages are 100% unique & 100% SEO'd ***

It sounds like your techniques are way too aggressive. Back off man. Three strikes and they'll likely torch every related site, as well as this one.

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Never submit a reconsideration request until you have fixed the issue that triggered the ban.

Now that's funny!

4:18 am on June 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

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A good question, is what were you banned for the first time? Perhaps it is a misunderstanding between what you believe is ethical / correct and what Google deems is in violation of the Google guidelines for webmasters.
5:57 pm on June 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

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thnx all,
i finally discoverd it !
And beleive me or not .. my domain was registerd before 10 years with a totally different niche then the rest of years its niche was the same of mine!

It got about 5 or 7 links from (.edu) domains....
i figured that out yesterday when i was browsing yahoo siteexp...... imagine, google banned my high ranking website for a reason of 10 years old links, "links that are not apearing on my google webmaster tools ... !"

Now, after that all, i am going to make something new
i wont stop, i can make it another & another..

but the only thing that i am mad of, that i have to start from begining ( you know new domain, new site .. months of SEOing, writing,... bla bla bla.. but now i will make it perfect as much as i can.

thanks all for your interest, but you know, we always have something to learn about -> even if its not our mistake :)

6:54 pm on June 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

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If you were ranking well all along, then it seems very unlikely to me that a few old backlinks all of a sudden caused a problem. If you are convinced that this is a problem, you can submit a reconsideration request and mention what you found. If somehow this is a newly triggered factor, Google will often reset those old spammy backlinks to zero for your new version of the domain. I've been involved with a few sites where they did it.
 

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