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Guys, have you noticed or already discussed this way of how google do the search?
Assuming you searched for "word1+word2+word3" (without quotes), usually, we thought that all of the pages that appear in the SERP should contain all of the keywords. However, there are pages in the result which contain only "word1" and "word2" but "word3" is not there, instead, it is on one of the pages that that particular page in the SERP is linking to.
[edited by: tedster at 5:50 pm (utc) on Mar. 2, 2009]
Besides erratic impressions data in my adsense account and keywords mysteriously vanishing in my analytics account nothing much else has changed, my rankings have held.
I'll take the keywords missing in analytics over the pages missing in the serps any day.
[edited by: SEOPTI at 4:45 am (utc) on Mar. 19, 2009]
i have done below steps:
- Check whole site for hidden text and images
- Copy content (Not sure?) - if it then i think we cant get #1 rank.
- Last activity during rank dropped - directory submission (search and submit in lots of directories in relevant category strictly followed all the rules not any FFA sites) and social bookmarkig task in Pligg related websites
Last checking: Sites cache display all pages and not in spam or banned. Yesterday i have add new pages which ia cached within a hour.
My project deadline is : March Ending.
Have any idea ?
Check whole site for hidden text
Have you checked using a googlebot user agent? Many hacks today cloak themselves so that only googlebot is shown the hidden text - especially hidden links. Use Firefox with the User Agent Switcher add-on to do this.
as per last regarding my senior SEO - he told me that this effect of caching problem or UK Google data centre update.
Can someone please tell me how to add a googlebot user agent?
This is a good feature.
A Google search will find the exact string they use now - as will your server access logs.
I had many keywords which I ranked 3-4 down on first page of results for the last year and up to last night. My ranks this morning were at # 201 for < one of them >, however as of now its went back to #192 and I have been ranked #1 again for < another >. Anyone else having this problem.
All of my pages are still indexed and had made no changes in months. Im hoping this is just temporary unless google has made major modifications.
I will let you know if my keywords move back up. I have seen this before on other sites a few years back and they returned to normal a few days later. Hopefully this is just a temporary glitch.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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update: also my page has not been re cached since the 13th of March so I really cant understand why my position would move so dramatically overnight.
[edited by: tedster at 6:33 am (utc) on Mar. 21, 2009]
1) All pages validate as perfect coding
2) I have related quality backilinks with no paid links
3) I have exhausted all resources for new free links in my related field, unless I spam, but I dont practice that technique.
4) keywords are optimized
5) no new pages that could have dropped rankings
6) secondary pages have lost ranking badly as well, except for a few.
7) Domain name is two years old
8) My other two sites with same layout in css have maintained good
rankings, but that could change. (same link structure with free directories)
9) original content, none imported from article feeds
Can you give me a example of how far your rankings haved dropped and have you made changes to your site?
Lastly, the only thing I can think of is that I have not made any updates since October 2008. I could add pages, but I will wait at least a few days and for a re cache to see if my rankings increase again.
I wonder if Zims rankings recovered all they way?
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Another possibility is I run Kontera ads with adsense, but have done so for a year now.
I cant see any problem with Google ads, but maybe they are penalyzing for Kontera ads now. My other 2 sites dont run Kontera ads, but only Google ads.
Process of elimination I guess. I will update my moves and changes for others.
[edited by: tedster at 6:32 am (utc) on Mar. 21, 2009]
4) keywords are optimized
You might have crossed the line to what Google calls over-optimization - especially if you're using your critical keywords as part of several different anchor texts.
That particular line gets recalculated from time to time, and what was a safe level of optimization can become the source of a penalty. Falling 100 or more positions from the first page is almost always a sign of a penalty.
It could also be that your ads are passing PR and Google has now detected that. There were some Wordpress plug-ins that delivered Kontera ads in a way that Google might consider deceptive.
Third possibility - your server may have been hacked. See [webmasterworld.com...]
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However, Google rankings are showing some churn right now, as they often do. I just don't see that as enough of a factor to knock you down over 100 spots.
Lost major rankings on keywords in Google today for my website at < removed >I had many keywords which I ranked 3-4 down on first page of results for the last year and up to last night. My ranks this morning were at # 201 for < one of them >, however as of now its went back to #192 and I have been ranked #1 again for < another >. Anyone else having this problem.
All of my pages are still indexed and had made no changes in months. Im hoping this is just temporary unless google has made major modifications.
I will let you know if my keywords move back up. I have seen this before on other sites a few years back and they returned to normal a few days later. Hopefully this is just a temporary glitch.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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update: also my page has not been re cached since the 13th of March so I really cant understand why my position would move so dramatically overnight.
yes saw this exact same thing on a site on the 17th, and no recovery as yet.
multiple first page kw terms all bombed to between 98 (highest) to 192. all pages still indexed, still number one for their name, just nowhere for any of their terms.
In my case there's no overoptimization since I had made no changes to my site except to add new content.
While this particular case may well be due to backlink attrition, I feel I should restate my oriignal point, for the sake of clarity.
Google recalculates the over-optimization threshold from time to time. So even if you don't change anything at all, Google might.
I also agree with Tedstar that Google may have started penalyzing for Kontera ads (but I don't want to give them a bad name yet, as this may not be true at all). I may try to email Google and ask them about it, not that they will ever reply, but I may get lucky.
I have thought of one thing that I may be getting a penalty for. I have few smaller related sites that contain about 8 pages each. I used these sites and pages for extra links to my main site. One link per page to my homepage of my large site. I have used these sites this way for about 8 months now, but last week I noticed that these small sites had no static links, just a nav bar with no alt tags. Once I added the alt tags to the nav bar, Google was then able to see the internal pages of the smaller sites with the outbound links to my main site. As of today, I remove these outbound links except from the main page of each site. Hopfully this is the penalty problem.
Older related issue to above problem: I have a 50 page site that I used 6 months ago that created a penalty. I linked all 50 pages to a related secondary page on my main site. A week later after doing so I noticed a severe drop in keyword rankings for that secondary page. I thought nothing of it for weeks because all other pages were not effected. Then I removed these links from all pages except from the homepage and hours later after doing so, my keywords came back for the secondary page.
Also, as of this morning, I show a new re cach on March 18
I also agree with Tedstar that Google may have started penalyzing for Kontera ads
Just to be clear - certainly not all Kontera ads. Only those ads, no matter what the source, that are delivered in a way Google considers deceptive (passing PR or as hidden content in the source code).
1) Removed all Kontera ads ( And I must say, It does not look all spammy now)
2) Removed all outbound links in my link exchange (only had 6 in my directory anyways)
3) Removed Wordpress (Out of date and of really no value to my site. I did keep my open forum though.
4) Added one new page of good content, updated sitemaps and rss feed to include new page. This I hope will help if they think content is out of date.
5) Checked files and server for hacks. None found.
6) Made mild changes to some pages that I found errors on, none to the index
7) Also was approved today in two more free directories.
Hopefully these modifications will lift a penalty, if any. I will update if I see any changes.
I have thought of one thing that I may be getting a penalty for. I have few smaller related sites that contain about 8 pages each. I used these sites and pages for extra links to my main site. One link per page to my homepage of my large site.
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[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 8:58 pm (utc) on Mar. 22, 2009]
[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 8:59 pm (utc) on Mar. 22, 2009]
I also must admit some of my pages could use some tweaking and updating, and maybe some articles could be removed. The only thing I thought spammy was the Kontera ads, Im actually glad I removed them as they were driving out almost 100 visitors a day for less than 10 bucks. Irecently saw my browser blocking 7 cookies pertaining to Kontera on main pages and sub pages. This maybe triggering a penalty. I dont believe I saw this many before (usually 2 cookies).
Off subject ( Duplicate Content Google): I did a test about 1 1/2 years ago with 2 sites and same content, 10 pages each, different domain names. What I found out is that they penalyzed the site with the least links. To double checked my work I went back and forth with linking and when one site increased links the other site disappeared for keyword results. I did this back and forth for several months with the same affect each time. This is why I tell people using rss feeds for articles that it is pointless for obtaining content unless you are the power site that has the most inbound links. Please note: This may have change within the past year, but if you think about it, Google is looking for the original site with the content and so they may have thought inbound links was the way to accomplish this, but my test conclude it can be manipulated. No system is perfect.
I certainly have learned a great deal and not to take rankings for granted anymore. I'm just curious if any of the changes made a difference any if so which was it? I certainly will keep the changes the way they are and make changes and updates often as I should of been doing and not waiting for a penalty before I take steps to improve my site. Thanks for all the input from the board as I found it very useful for insight on the development of websites.
Nothing wrong with G its just the websites in it.....
Thats why I will never give up on Yahoo and MSN!
Thats why I will never give up on Yahoo and MSN!
I hope your kidding!? Yahoo always has and always will play second fiddle to Google. Google's SERP's flat out are the most relevant SERP's of any of the three. Honestly I think MSN's SERP's are better than Yahoo's but that is only my opinion. But I rarely find a bad SERP in Google until I get to page 5 or beyond.
Yahoo always has and always will play second fiddle to Google. Google's SERP's flat out are the most relevant SERP's of any of the three.
I rarely use Yahoo. But a few days ago I did one search and it recommended a search for that phrase plus a year it felt was relevant: 2005. lol!
But to be fair, Google's suggestions with a date still aren't always very good, either. One rec it gives, for example, is red widgets 2007! Yes, I know a lot of users were searching for red widgets in 2007; that's why your data shows it, but come on! Google, is it such a stretch to think if they used the search string with 2007 in 2007, then the most relevant rec would be the same search string plus 2009? OK, maybe it's not a big deal, but if I was a geek at Google, I'd find it embarrassing.
p/g
[edited by: potentialgeek at 10:49 am (utc) on Mar. 24, 2009]
